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Topic # 52242 2-Dec-2009 18:54
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Telecom NZ have always left me unimpressed by the careful tedium of their cellphone offerings. They stayed with CDMA a decade after they should have abandoned it and were left very badly place. 


Their marketing is typically terrible. Here we are in the midst of a tidal wave of convergence they are swimming the other way. They are selling "music phones' and 'photo phones' and 'work phones' - effectively telling us we can't have it all.....we must choose from the functionally disparate offerings they put up. 


No thanks. 


Vodafone have offered the android-based, HTC Magic and good on them. I have two of the things and love'em to bits. They are my laptop-in-a-shirt-pocket with all the capabilities of a PC: file handling to / from anywhere at any time; multitasking; customisable (many different versions of the operating system available with loads of additional function). 


2degrees only have a 2G network at the mo' and with their data at 50 cents / MB, aren't really in the running. 


 But that's it. One android phone....and no noises from anyone about any more. 


Meanwhile, overseas, there are new android phones being announced every week and many more to come.  


On the one hand, I can understand the local telcos standing back and waiting to see where the dust settles. On the other, people who are paying attention may have to begin sourcing their phone upgrades from overseas or paying more attention to the  offerings from Parallel Imports. 


The other thing I found out yesterday is the Vodafone tech support guys don't know much about the HTC Magic. That matches the near total ignorance of the sales teams in the Vodafone stores. I walk there, show them what a loaded HTC Magic can do....and blow their socks off. 


"I didn't know it could do THAT!"....... Yeah. I know. 


Anyone know what's coming down the android pipe from our three telcos? Especially Telecom. 







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  Reply # 278845 2-Dec-2009 19:25
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Linuxluver: Telecom NZ have always left me unimpressed by the careful tedium of their cellphone offerings. They stayed with CDMA a decade after they should have abandoned it and were left very badly place.


 

I think if they had gone GSM we would now have on both Telecom and Vodafone a crap network like AT&T with limited 3G coverage  plus there would have been no one pushing Vodafone to upgrade their network to 3G as fast as they are doing.

That said I do hope that we see Android fones appearing here  next year  on any carrier..




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  Reply # 278848 2-Dec-2009 19:33
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You're probably right. My views are shaped a bit my my experiences travelling overseas on GSM networks in the late 90s. You just got off the plane in OZ, Hong Kong, Singapore, Malaysia and roamed....and it was automagic. Telecom had to give you a travelling phone....For business people the choice was obvious and they made it.




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It's because Vodafone have the iPhone, and Telecom probably figure people can get the iPhone from Vodafone and then use it on their network. Why would anyone want an all-in-one device other than an iphone?

They won't offer more alternatives than they need to until it's economically beneficial for them to do so. Whether or not that point has passed, I've no idea. I got my Hero as I wanted a phone that filled certain criteria, most of which the iPhone covered, but I also wanted a device that wasn't tailored to the lower common denominator such as the limit basic functionality the iPhone offered. (token bluetooth, limited customisability, fixed memory, reliance on closed 3rd party software etc). Android won out, I've still got to wait for Eclair/Flan for decent bluetooth support, but it's coming, whereas there's no way Apple are going to let people have OBEX support.

By the same token, why has neither company picked up the Palm Pre? Admittedly it may be a bit of a lost cause, but I know a couple of people have given up waiting for the thing to show (largely Palm's fault obviously).

The guys in the stores are salespeople, the vast majority of the people they are selling to don't need to know anything very technical beyond the basics, and again it's a question of whether or not it's worth it to the Telco's to spend the money training the staff in the nuances of each model they have.

It's all about the Rutherfords at the end of the day.






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  Reply # 278937 3-Dec-2009 08:44
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Stevenz: Agree with every word, though there are other factors that make it more complex and do offer some hope. I guess the other thing is that NZ is increasingly a low-wage country and only a very tiny group of people will pay the $800 or $1000 for a great phone (that costs $400 in the US....so reaches a wider market there - never mind the size).

I know from personal experience that none of the Canadian telcos sell a mobile phone for less than C$199 (NZ$250). Yet here we can get a basic mobile phone for as little as $50 (C$35) - full price.




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