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#2845094 7-Jan-2022 23:33

Did this a little while ago, but finally got around to renovating our guest toilet. Well 95% done.

Before:

After:

The only part I didn't do was the floor tiling and connecting the waste water to the basin.

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#2845121 8-Jan-2022 07:27

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Titebond III does need to be used carefully since it can stain the wood black. It's also spendy. But from what I understand, is a superb glue. As I say, I had good luck with aquadhere.

I have searched for this black staining with TB lll but can't find anything - other than a metal clamp possibly being in contact with the glue as it dries. Also the various videos posted here don't refer to this and there's no evidence of black in any of their images. It doesn't seem to be widespread or common. Was this something you experienced yourself? Keen to know your source for this.

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#2845124 8-Jan-2022 07:45

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The table will be outside in rain then blistering sun and the individual boards will be very tempted to move in various directions.

That was one concern when I saw the discussion of gluing, depending on which bits you're thinking of gluing you may want to not glue some parts in order to give the wood room to expand and contract. If it's locked solidly in place with glue then the stress caused by expansion and contraction will have to find some other way out.

Yep. As I mentioned earlier, not gluing the top at all was our original plan - exactly for the reasons you give. Just like the reason why a cabinetmaker never glues-in or fixes the panel in a framed fielded panel. That plan hasn't been totally abandoned. Now I'm inclined to stay with Plan A and make the top without glue - with the four threaded rods holding it all together and the 10mm-thick biscuits holding the boards in check with each other as much as possible.

If the top needs further tightening or adjusting later, we will be able the access the nuts on the ends of the rods to do that. This also means that if we want to glue the top together at a later date, we can disassemble it and still do that. Not gluing gives us options - but if we glue on Day 1 we don't have other options.

Have just realised we can make pockets in the underside of the top where the nuts terminate the rods - so that we can tighten the nuts from the underside with a ratchet ring spanner. This means we would not need to remove the 45x90 perimeter frame timber to access the nuts from the edges. (Hmm - but then the frame pieces on the short ends might be a problem).

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#2845309 8-Jan-2022 16:04

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I think I came across this on Lumberjocks and have been too scared to try it on anything so don't have first hand experience. Consensus seems to be some kind of reaction to either wood tannins or in some cases, iron contamination or reaction to clamps. See e.g. https://www.lumberjocks.com/topics/23100

Steve @ WWMM has had the same experience.

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#2845311 8-Jan-2022 16:14

Doesn't seem to be a universal problem and people have variously diagnosed "it's a dark brown glue", dirty joins, contaminated rags and contaminated sandpaper. It seems that it will stain black anything iron (whether clamps or where clamps contact) and I think you mentioned using threaded rod and screw fastenings.

As mentioned, I've never used it myself, primarily to avoid that issue. And I'm too cheap. Macrocarpa is a light timber though so if you were going with Titebond, it might pay to test on some scraps first.

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#2845382 8-Jan-2022 17:03

^^ Thanks. Had thought about gluing a couple of test pieces first.

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#2845385 8-Jan-2022 17:07

@ George

Just showed my partner and told him I’ll never complain to him again about over engineering his projects 😊

Whilst the difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer. However, miracles you will have to wait for.

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#2851472 16-Jan-2022 15:00

eracode:

During June and July I worked, weather-permitting, building a DIY 6m x 6m deck and surrounding fences for our adult son and his partner, with their assistance on weekends and as their WFH allowed.

The base is the concrete-slab roof of their street-level double garage - the slab adjoins their first-storey main living area. Originally it was a patio with low brick-wall planters, concrete pavers and ratty trellises with creepers. Built in the 1980’s, it was leaking into the garage below.

With great effort they cleared all of that away and had an industrial-grade torched-on membrane applied, with correct 'falls' incorporated.

After great difficulty sourcing some of the materials, we started the fences and deck. Pretty much standard construction and using self-leveling ‘Nurajack’ piles to support the sub-frame - these allow the deck to ‘float’ and do not penetrate the membrane so as to preserve the watertightness.

The decking material is finger-jointed 140 x 19 mm Kwila. Son has installed flush LED uplights in the Kwila around the inside perimeter - looks great at night. Now they're busy finding free-standing planter boxes, some sort of shade arrangement and new larger furniture to fill the sizeable area. First photo gives an idea of what it was like before we started.

That looks fantastic, well done. Can i please ask how do the self-leveling ‘Nurajack’ piles self-level?

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#2851481 16-Jan-2022 15:26

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That looks fantastic, well done. Can i please ask how do the self-leveling ‘Nurajack’ piles self-level?

Thanks. The head of the Nurajack can move/rock a little in one dimension - up to about 6° from horizontal. You attach the head of the jack onto your already-installed horizontal joist with screws then turn the base of the jack so that it screws downwards to touch the concrete base below.

If the concrete has a slope, the lower part of the jack will tilt slightly to accommodate the slope - and will put the foot of the jack flat against the concrete. Give the base a further quarter-turn or so down against the concrete, and it will firmly support the joist. You can adjust the jacks to get all of your joists level with each other against a string line running across the joists at 90° to their longitude.

https://www.nurajack.co.nz/uploads/7/8/8/8/7888099/nurajack_brochure_2020.pdf

https://www.nurajack.co.nz/timber-decks.html

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#2851563 16-Jan-2022 17:39

eracode:

DamageInc:

That looks fantastic, well done. Can i please ask how do the self-leveling ‘Nurajack’ piles self-level?

Thanks. The head of the Nurajack can move/rock a little in one dimension - up to about 6° from horizontal. You attach the head of the jack onto your already-installed horizontal joist with screws then turn the base of the jack so that it screws downwards to touch the concrete base below.

If the concrete has a slope, the lower part of the jack will tilt slightly to accommodate the slope - and will put the foot of the jack flat against the concrete. Give the base a further quarter-turn or so down against the concrete, and it will firmly support the joist. You can adjust the jacks to get all of your joists level with each other against a string line running across the joists at 90° to their longitude.

https://www.nurajack.co.nz/uploads/7/8/8/8/7888099/nurajack_brochure_2020.pdf

https://www.nurajack.co.nz/timber-decks.html

Much appreciated, thank you.

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#2853196 19-Jan-2022 09:39

After years of putting up with leaks, I've replaced most of the roof on my garage.

I needed dry weather but I did the work during Wellingtons hottest weather for years so I got lucky or unlucky depending on how you see it.

I still have to replace the gutter which requires a roofers advice.

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#2868249 14-Feb-2022 15:32

The outdoor table I mentioned a few weeks ago that our son and I are building is nearing completion. Construction is complete - just oiling and mating of base and top to be done:

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#2868251 14-Feb-2022 15:36

eracode:

The outdoor table I mentioned a few weeks ago that our son and I are building is nearing completion. Construction is complete - just oiling and mating of base and top to be done:

Wow that thing has presence - nice! Want to build me one?

Is the next project fixing up that wheel rash on the S/RS :D ?

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#2868263 14-Feb-2022 16:10

eracode:

The outdoor table I mentioned a few weeks ago that our son and I are building is nearing completion. Construction is complete - just oiling and mating of base and top to be done:

looks amazing!

love your diy shop vac - im going to borrow this idea :)

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#2868267 14-Feb-2022 16:23

insane:

eracode:

The outdoor table I mentioned a few weeks ago that our son and I are building is nearing completion. Construction is complete - just oiling and mating of base and top to be done:

Wow that thing has presence - nice! Want to build me one?

You're in the wrong thread - that's a rhetorical question for me. 😀

Has been a lot of fun and thoroughly enjoyed it. We hired a big compound mitre saw for all the cuts - now son is so impressed with what it was able to do, he's going to buy one. The saw made cuts with sub-millimetre accuracy and the finish on end-grain cuts was like silk. We were able to make high-precision joints, particularly the half-joints around the top of the base/legs - even though we had never used one before. I really wish I had one from when I started my DIY career 50 years ago.

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