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#161985 26-Jan-2015 10:42

I live in a house that’s recently (4 years ago) had a redo in the kitchen, the previous owners decided to keep the old F&P dishwasher and when installing the cabinets they didn't accommodate for a newer dishwasher that would be slightly wider.
Current space is about 590mm, the newer dishwasher we’re looking at are around 600mm. I did see a real narrow one 450mm, but it’s too small for what’s needed.

I can't see any other way, but to remove the whole bench top and re position cabinets. Unless anyone has some other ideas?

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#1222276 26-Jan-2015 10:49

Take out that steel flashing?

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#1222281 26-Jan-2015 10:52

that's the dishwasher exterior.

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#1222282 26-Jan-2015 10:55

Have you pulled out the dishwasher to see if there are any packers / end plates on the cabinets?
If there is you might be able to remove one and get the room that way.

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#1222283 26-Jan-2015 10:56

Dang. You can probably only re position the cabinets to the right of the washer, due to the sink? I'd get a joiner to pop in and have a lookse, ideally one from a kitchen place, they are bound to know a few tricks.

Maybe they can lift the benchtop 50 or 60 mm and shift cabinets, maybe they can replace an adjacent cabinet to the washer with a narrower one and use your door, and trim your door?

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#1222291 26-Jan-2015 11:12

We usually allow 610mm for the diswasher space so if you modify anything leave more than 600mm.

Pull the dishwasher out and check the carcass construction on the cabinets each side. If you are lucky the carcass ends will be screwed onto the back\base and top rail. You might be able to trim 20mm off these 3 parts while they are in place and screw the carcass end panel back on. You'll then need to sort the door out (as it will be 20mm too big) but you wouldn't have to remove the benchtop.

Can you post a longer picture so I can see whats at each end of the run? The cabinet to the left will have the sink bowls/waste pipes in it so will be more difficult to move.

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#1222304 26-Jan-2015 11:31

hopefully that's what you're after.

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#1222311 26-Jan-2015 11:42

Yep perfect. Since that side runs into a corner I'd leave it alone if possible and look to trim the sink cabinet.

There seems to be a fair gap between the edge of the sink bowl and the right end so I'd slide the dishwasher out and check how that end is screwed on.

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#1222336 26-Jan-2015 12:00

DarkCypher: Current space is about 590mm, the newer dishwasher we’re looking at are around 600mm.

Have you measured the space allowing for it possibly being out of square? If the existing unit is 590 is it a tight fit?

My sister had a similar problem. I was set to reduce the width of 1 cabinet but decided there was just a chance the new washer might fit. A couple of squirts of silicone spray later it was in.

If it is a typical PL Hay unit the ends are held on with cam locks and the top probably has the cams under to benchtop where you can't get at them.

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#1224384 28-Jan-2015 22:09

I had this exact problem a month or two ago when our dishwasher broke - I feel your pain. My solution was to buy one of those narrow sized dishwashers, which is not a great solution to be honest, but I didn't want to perform surgery on the kitchen. To add insult to injury, the guy who installed the new dishwasher didn't screw the hose on properly and it flooded the cabinet under the sink recently leaving our cabinets all warped...

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#1224392 28-Jan-2015 22:20

Last year we replaced our old F&P Select dishwasher with a new F&P dishwasher of the same width. However, I don't know if they still sell them that size. The only problem is that it is deeper so it sticks out a couple of inches until we replace our kitchen bench/sink cabinetry.

You will need to check the space available before you replace because the dishwasher you had is not as wide or deep as most of the new ones.

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#1224396 28-Jan-2015 22:28

I checked dishwashers on PriceSpy and there are quite a few dishwashers to fit into a 590-595 space, built-in or free-standing.

That reminds me of two things. Height is also an issue as most will be higher than the F&P but some have a removable top. If you find one that will fit then you will also need to check the installed dimensions not just the dishwasher box dimensions as some require more space around them.

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#1224398 28-Jan-2015 22:29

That benchtop looks like its 600mm deep (some older kitchens were 500mm deep) so depth shouldn't be a problem in this instance.

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#1224511 29-Jan-2015 07:12

froob: I had this exact problem a month or two ago when our dishwasher broke - I feel your pain. My solution was to buy one of those narrow sized dishwashers, which is not a great solution to be honest, but I didn't want to perform surgery on the kitchen. To add insult to injury, the guy who installed the new dishwasher didn't screw the hose on properly and it flooded the cabinet under the sink recently leaving our cabinets all warped...

I'd be claiming insurance, though tell them who caused the problem and they'll likely recover the cost from the person who caused the problem. Or have the tradesman's firm fix the problem.

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#1224548 29-Jan-2015 09:31

What is the model of that Dishwasher (should be on a plate inside when you open the door, might be on the back)?
I though F&P always did a 599-600mm dishwasher, seems strange it is only 590.

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#1226116 1-Feb-2015 08:40

To add insult to injury, the guy who installed the new dishwasher didn't screw the hose on properly and it flooded the cabinet under the sink recently leaving our cabinets all warped...

You paid someone to install a dishwasher into an existing connection? It's as easy and connecting your washing machine up.....

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