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# 251465 26-Jun-2019 16:21
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Hey, I know it's been discussed here before but I'm keen to find out more about Konnected.io. That would be to fit on top of an existing (working) Bosch System.

 

I already Home Assistant in the House and love it. I think I understand all the benefits but before I start messing up with what I have, I want to be sure I understand the downsides:

 

Things like:

 

- Wife doesn't seem sold on the idea of getting rid of the physical panel. I guess she doesn't "trust" a non-conventional system

 

- How can I be sure it is reliable? Alarms can be mission critical stuff. Last thing I want is to think it's armed but have it not go off because some part of a (more) complex system failed

 

- Can I revert back to my own system if things don't work out? Assuming I don't cut up the panel to the physical wire...

 

Keen to hear experiences, especially around how reliable it's been, WAF and how practical it has been over the months.

 

Paging @konnected and @premiumtouring who would have something to contribute.

 

Thanks


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  # 2265189 26-Jun-2019 17:54
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There’s one that impersonates a serial output device I think. So all your physical control. Is possible but it gets the data side sorted in a relatively easy to integrate way.

I assume you don’t have an up or serial module installed in the alarm already? If
You do you might be able to integrate with home assistant already.




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  # 2265302 26-Jun-2019 21:17
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Generally interested in HA stuff as I am on a similar journey, albeit slowly - seems a kiwi block is leading the charge https://help.konnected.io/support/discussions/topics/32000001639 with Bosch and Konnected. This was also interesting to https://www.instructables.com/id/Alarm-PIR-Movement-to-Home-Automation/


 
 
 
 


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  # 2265392 26-Jun-2019 22:02
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Hey, I'm actually in the middle of writing up a series of guides for Nate on using Konnected with Home Assistant.

 

In my experience to date, the Konnected boards have been rock solid - and they've also integrated seamlessly with the Bosch alarm components in my house, too.

 

It turns out that the weakest link in my setup is actually Home Assistant and that is simply due to the rapidly evolving nature of that platform. There are regular updates that bring breaking changes, so I'm working on a way to keep the integration between HASS and Konnected as native as possible so that as and when there is a HASS update it is less likely to include a breaking change.

 

I'll keep you in the loop as I progress.

 

Regarding your questions;

 

Q Wife doesn't seem sold on the idea of getting rid of the physical panel. I guess she doesn't "trust" a non-conventional system

 

A. Don't get rid of the panel. Leave it in place, just tandem mount the Konnected units. Label everything, take before and after photos. Disconnect your Bosch mainboard by disconnecting the battery and then pulling the mains fuse (which will be near the transformer). Use an electrician if you are uncomfortable with this. In the world of Home Assistant you don't need physical keypads anymore.. you just need to register your iPhone/Android devices as keys which automate the arming and disarming through presence detection. I'll be covering this in my guides.. For example: When I return home at night, my lights all turn on automatically, the alarm disarms. When I leave, I get pinged via Apple Watch with a rich text notification to instantly or delay arm the alarm as it has detected all devices (people) have left the house.. I can always manually set it as well. 

 

Q How can I be sure it is reliable? Alarms can be mission critical stuff. Last thing I want is to think it's armed but have it not go off because some part of a (more) complex system failed

 

A. Healthy fear to have. Depending on the quality of your alarm components and how much testing you carry out (pro tip, write all of your automations to trigger the included buzzer on the konnected board instead of the actual siren while testing), that's going to come down to how you set your system up. There are alarm components that can store their state persistently. So if you cycle your HASS instance every 5 days and you're away for 2 weeks, it is possible to have the alarm state be maintained even through restarts. More importantly, it comes down to writing your automations - again, if my alarm ever 'disarms' for some reason, as soon as the system detects that I'm not home it will again prompt me to 'arm' the alarm just based on geolocation and presence. In fact, I would argue that by using things like device presence detection and automations you can never 'forget' to arm the alarm like you would a traditional alarm system. Most importantly I can tell you first hand that the reaction time of the Konnected via HASS is just as instantaneous as the Bosch alarm.

 

Q Can I revert back to my own system if things don't work out? Assuming I don't cut up the panel to the physical wire...

 

A. 100%. Just remember to label all of the connections WHILE connected to the Bosch mains board - take a photo, and then store it somewhere safe. If you ever need to revert, refer to the photo when connecting everything back up again. You should be cutting NO wires. Everything should be easily connected/disconnected. Worst case scenario, get in a traditional alarm installer to reconfigure your panel.

 

 

 

A personal note..

 

Bosch make amazing alarm components. Combined with Konnected and HASS it opens up way too many conveniences and possibilities to ever go back to a traditional alarm. As soon as you start using the super accurate Bosch PIR's to turn lights in the hall way or living room on after dark automatically.. the wife will soon be 100% on board.


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  # 2265407 26-Jun-2019 22:34
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Not what you are asking, but will share regardless...

 

I achieved a "Konnected" alarm, but grabbing a Wemos D1 Mini, wiring up a PCF8574 (it's an I2C GPIO expansion chip), loading up ESPEasy on the Wemos, and then connecting to MQTT.

 

Simply wired the GPIO inputs in parallel with the PIR inputs going in to the existing alarm panel. Probing around on my alarm, I found that when the PIR was activated it simply went to ground. So I could just use like any other GPIO input.

 

This way I have retained the the keypads and smoke alarms. But can monitor it all with MQTT to send notifications, and do other stuff like "set" the alarm even if we don't set it with a keypad.

 

As for WAF, whatever you do, just don't let her use it until you have 100% sorted out any kinks. Bugs are makes fancy take look rubbish, resulting in low WAF. So get it all tested, make sure it's all easy to use from the apps/tablets/whatever, and you will be good as gold.


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  # 2265410 26-Jun-2019 22:38
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hi,

 

I am using the konnected interface,and it has been great! You use it with your current alarm, which means the alarm operates independently, with the konnected piggy backing on it, and feeding sensor information to HA.

 

 

 

This is the one I am using: https://konnected.io/collections/in-stock-now/products/konnected-alarm-panel-interface-for-wired-security-systems

 

 

 

Nate did do a great video on it here: https://youtu.be/fcY0dYuBQCo

 

 

 

Mine is connected to a basic DSC panel with connections to the alarm panel to arm/disarm the alarm and also get arm/disarm and siren information. All the motion sensors feed their status to HA, so great for triggering automations.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 




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  # 2265441 27-Jun-2019 06:24
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Thanks everyone for the great comments and pointers.

 

Yeah, I already have Presence Detection working with my wife and I's phones so that we can do things like turn on the Robot Vacuum when we leave the house or arm the Video Surveillance. This is why konnected.io looked like the next thing on my list.

 

The main problem I am wanting to fix is having to rely on us to remember to turn on the alarm. So I want to be able to arm it on-demand via Hass. Disarming it when we get home is a + but I don't mind us having to punch our pin on the panel to disarm it. Bonus point if I can monitor the arm/disarmed state remotely via hass but would like to get notified of it going off.

 

I was pretty excited when I had a look at the Konnected.io interface as it seemed like it would do the job without having to do away completely with the existing system. Then I realised that it would only let you monitor motion states from the PIR and not arm/disarm remotely which would not suit my needs. Sounds like @cychronz managed to get that working though... I would love to hear a bit more about how that works and whether the Konnected interface would suit my requirements above.

 

Traditional alarms keep working while there is no power due to having a battery pack. I can see how konencted interface would not change that. What about the traditional konnected solution? Is it also capable of running off a battery like the traditional alarm?

 

Finally, I am fairly techy (Software Engineer by trade) and have quite a bit of experience with hass, node-red, etc.. for the automation side but wiring things sometimes confuse me and I really don't want to mess that up. Is there a good soul around Auckland who would be ready to help install this for a box of beer or a small payment?

 

Thanks for your help guys, much appreciated. Sounds like I will be going with Konnected. It's just a matter of deciding traditional vs interface and figuring out the wiring.




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  # 2265448 27-Jun-2019 07:35
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cychronz:

 

hi,

 

I am using the konnected interface,and it has been great! You use it with your current alarm, which means the alarm operates independently, with the konnected piggy backing on it, and feeding sensor information to HA.

 

This is the one I am using: https://konnected.io/collections/in-stock-now/products/konnected-alarm-panel-interface-for-wired-security-systems

 

Nate did do a great video on it here: https://youtu.be/fcY0dYuBQCo

 

Mine is connected to a basic DSC panel with connections to the alarm panel to arm/disarm the alarm and also get arm/disarm and siren information. All the motion sensors feed their status to HA, so great for triggering automations.

 

 

Cheers for that. This looks like it could fit my needs exactly, provided I figure out how to program those extra outputs on my Bosch system to show arm/disarm state and manage to hook up the relay for arming the system automatically.


 
 
 
 


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  # 2265450 27-Jun-2019 07:49
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happy to help...the alarm panel programming wasn't too bad for me, but it did mean I had to get 2 x Konnected boards as the PWM outputs each use up a zone on the konnected. The konnected boards can trigger a relay, that in-turn uses a zone on your alarm panel(Set as a keyswitch) to arm disarm, but you could also use an ESP based board(Wemos D1 + relay) to achieve the same and it would be much cheaper.

 

 

 

Let me know how you go...happy to help with software parts too. I just use ESPhome.io to code/flash/maintain the ESP sensors.

 

 

 

 




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  # 2265489 27-Jun-2019 07:53
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cychronz:

 

happy to help...the alarm panel programming wasn't too bad for me, but it did mean I had to get 2 x Konnected boards as the PWM outputs each use up a zone on the konnected. The konnected boards can trigger a relay, that in-turn uses a zone on your alarm panel(Set as a keyswitch) to arm disarm, but you could also use an ESP based board(Wemos D1 + relay) to achieve the same and it would be much cheaper.

 

Let me know how you go...happy to help with software parts too. I just use ESPhome.io to code/flash/maintain the ESP sensors.

 

 

Thanks. First up, I'll hunt down the exact model for my alarm system and try to find the installer's manual for it. That video from Nate about the Konnected interface was great and made me think I can achieve what I want.

 

I'm just scared of messing up my system by playing with the programming of it but it looks like it would be worth it in the end. I'll reach out once I have more specific questions.

 

In the meantime, if anyone has done this on a Bosch system, I'd love to talk.

 

Cheers




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  # 2267325 30-Jun-2019 14:53
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OK, Looks like my Alarm system is ICP-CC404. I would love to hook that up to Konnected interface.

 

This is what it looks like: https://photos.app.goo.gl/VS3k6Bc6SCyzKPtFA

 

Looks like there is out2 which is free and should be usable provided I can program it.

 

There is also ins and Outs on the right hand side (see here https://photos.app.goo.gl/V7jheAzZqbotQx9h9). Currently seems to be hooked up to the phone line (which has been taken out anyway). I wonder if I could use that...

 

Is there anyone familiar with this stuff yho could help?

 

Thanks


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