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#1368426 18-Aug-2015 10:16

The thing is that a pair of shoes that is $60 in the US and $220 here then GST is still not going to make a dent in these types of sales.

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#1368428 18-Aug-2015 10:19

Bee:

The impact on other overseas purchases is much more concerning, but with the exchange rate at the moment its not even worth buying anything from overseas???

I agree. We can thank the "NZ$ is way too overpriced, we need a weaker NZ$" brigade for that.

Now look, we have a weaker $NZ and milk prices are still low.

In April the NZ$ was on par with the Aussie. I think its the highest its ever been.

Today its under 90cents. Our currency has devalued by just over 10% against the Aussie. Should have bought some Aussie$$$ in April. A return of 10%.

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#1368474 18-Aug-2015 10:53

From stuff.co.nz
"The tax would be collected automatically but consumers who managed to avoid paying GST on imported services, for example, by tricking suppliers into thinking they lived outside the country, could be fined up to $25,000. "

That's a bit of an excessive fine!

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#1368477 18-Aug-2015 10:56

msreef: From stuff.co.nz
"The tax would be collected automatically but consumers who managed to avoid paying GST on imported services, for example, by tricking suppliers into thinking they lived outside the country, could be fined up to $25,000. "

That's a bit of an excessive fine!

they would still have to show intent.

Same as importing through Youshop. I am tricking the supplier into thinking I live in Portland, I'm not intending to avoid GST.

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#1368485 18-Aug-2015 11:13

DizzyD:
geekiegeek:

Do you use any public services in this country? If so why are you seemingly so against paying your fair share of tax.

I personally don't believe this has anything to do with helping out the poor local retailer - that's just a bonus for politicians. What this is about is increasing the tax take as we enter a time of large scale retirement and not enough people to pay for it (plus all the other things your taxes pay for).

Sure I'm not happy about stuff from overseas costing more but the way I see it we were just lucky to have a free ride for a while and now its time to pay our share. I mean imagine if everyone shopped overseas and no one payed any gst.

I'm all for paying gst on services/goods sold/bought/developed/made in New Zealand.

Why should I pay gst on something that is not even supplied by a NZ business? Its no different to going overseas on holiday and purchasing that service or those goods while over there.

Let the market work itself out without any government intervention. I believe that certain goods/services are cheaper here in NZ because of the cheaper overseas prices.

If you buy goods while overseas that meet the current gst threshold I believe you have to pay gst. As for services these are being delivered as a NZ service so should attract NZ tax. So in effect there is no difference, you just haven't been made to pay.

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#1368487 18-Aug-2015 11:15

geekiegeek:
DizzyD:
geekiegeek:

Do you use any public services in this country? If so why are you seemingly so against paying your fair share of tax.

I personally don't believe this has anything to do with helping out the poor local retailer - that's just a bonus for politicians. What this is about is increasing the tax take as we enter a time of large scale retirement and not enough people to pay for it (plus all the other things your taxes pay for).

Sure I'm not happy about stuff from overseas costing more but the way I see it we were just lucky to have a free ride for a while and now its time to pay our share. I mean imagine if everyone shopped overseas and no one payed any gst.

I'm all for paying gst on services/goods sold/bought/developed/made in New Zealand.

Why should I pay gst on something that is not even supplied by a NZ business? Its no different to going overseas on holiday and purchasing that service or those goods while over there.

Let the market work itself out without any government intervention. I believe that certain goods/services are cheaper here in NZ because of the cheaper overseas prices.

If you buy goods while overseas that meet the current gst threshold I believe you have to pay gst. As for services these are being delivered as a NZ service so should attract NZ tax. So in effect there is no difference, you just haven't been made to pay.

Not for us that use the non NZ service, I.E. US/UK etc Netflix.

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#1368509 18-Aug-2015 11:37

msreef: From stuff.co.nz
"The tax would be collected automatically but consumers who managed to avoid paying GST on imported services, for example, by tricking suppliers into thinking they lived outside the country, could be fined up to $25,000. "

That's a bit of an excessive fine!

I was just going to post that segment. So does that mean the geoblocking services which allow you to use say vudu....where you pay in USD would be counted as "trying to avoid GST"?

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#1368511 18-Aug-2015 11:39

davidcole:
msreef: From stuff.co.nz
"The tax would be collected automatically but consumers who managed to avoid paying GST on imported services, for example, by tricking suppliers into thinking they lived outside the country, could be fined up to $25,000. "

That's a bit of an excessive fine!

I was just going to post that segment. So does that mean the geoblocking services which allow you to use say vudu....where you pay in USD would be counted as "trying to avoid GST"?

Not unless the yanks have got the TPP to state "No Parallel Importing"

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#1368519 18-Aug-2015 11:58

DizzyD: I'm all for paying gst on services/goods sold/bought/developed/made in New Zealand.

Why should I pay gst on something that is not even supplied by a NZ business? Its no different to going overseas on holiday and purchasing that service or those goods while over there.

Let the market work itself out without any government intervention. I believe that certain goods/services are cheaper here in NZ because of the cheaper overseas prices.

It sounds a bit like you're confusing GST and tariff duty.

GST is not about protecting the local economy as such. It's more like a tax on consumption. You should pay GST on something that is not even supplied by a NZ business because you are consuming the service in NZ.

And, actually, if you purchase goods while overseas (obviously not services since you will use that service outside NZ) and bring them back with you, you can be required to pay GST on those.

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#1368538 18-Aug-2015 12:25

oxnsox:
l43a2: this kind of thing is pretty easy to get around.... dont see the point in it really.

Because probably 90% oin folk aren't as geeky clever as you and subscribe to local Netflix.
But really its about the bigger tax take of GST on all on line (offshore) transactions. Which will net $$$$$$$

It will NOT result in a net gain in taxable take for the Government because the cost of administrating it will be too high.

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#1368559 18-Aug-2015 12:50

networkn:
oxnsox:
l43a2: this kind of thing is pretty easy to get around.... dont see the point in it really.

Because probably 90% oin folk aren't as geeky clever as you and subscribe to local Netflix.
But really its about the bigger tax take of GST on all on line (offshore) transactions. Which will net $$$$$$$

It will NOT result in a net gain in taxable take for the Government because the cost of administrating it will be too high.

Why exactly would getting Netflix to pay gst cost the government a lot of money?

The only cost for administering is for purchases from small retailers which is why they are not including that. They will only go for the low hanging fruit i.e. Amazon (who will take the tax at point of sale) and Apple/Netflix who again will just take it at POS.

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#1368579 18-Aug-2015 13:05

The "discussion document" is now available.

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#1368590 18-Aug-2015 13:27

msreef: From stuff.co.nz
"The tax would be collected automatically but consumers who managed to avoid paying GST on imported services, for example, by tricking suppliers into thinking they lived outside the country, could be fined up to $25,000. "

That's a bit of an excessive fine!

So just to clarify (and troll); If I want to pay for a digital service that I can't get in NZ, there is going to be a chance that I may be accused of GST avoidance and fined up to $25,000?

What are the average pay-outs in the copyright tribunals again? So, it's going to be cheaper to risk downloading...

I fully agree, that any company directly selling to NZ should collect and pay it's tax obligations - that includes GST and corporate taxes. I think this threat of a fine however is crazy and is just pushing people back underground with the way they obtain content.

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#1368591 18-Aug-2015 13:28

All the figures look like small potatoes.
Why aren't they chasing the multinationals like facebook apple etc who freely admit they pay next to no tax at all for operating directly in NZ?

Why do they roll over and take it up the heiny from these guys and stiff the man on the street 2 bucks a month on his Netflix?

Most of the posters in this thread are just like chimpanzees on MDMA, full of feelings of bonhomie, joy, and optimism. Fred99 8/4/21

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#1368612 18-Aug-2015 13:53

StarBlazer:
msreef: From stuff.co.nz
"The tax would be collected automatically but consumers who managed to avoid paying GST on imported services, for example, by tricking suppliers into thinking they lived outside the country, could be fined up to $25,000. "

That's a bit of an excessive fine!

So just to clarify (and troll); If I want to pay for a digital service that I can't get in NZ, there is going to be a chance that I may be accused of GST avoidance and fined up to $25,000?

No that is stuff being dramatic, The white paper basically says you get the fine if you go out of your way to avoid the tax. e.g. saying you are GST registered business and you are not, or saying you are non resident in New Zealand to avoid the tax

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