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#2596579 2-Nov-2020 20:19

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Sorry. Clocks been reset after 11. CHC MIQ worker has gone Positive after going symptomatic Saturday.

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#2596637 2-Nov-2020 22:22

Good luck getting people in some countries to do the best for everyone...

"Lockdowns affecting entire populations is a price countries pay for failing to ensure people with coronavirus and their contacts self-isolate, according to an expert from the World Health Organization.

The WHO does not recommend that countries enter lockdowns. It has consistently said that the key to controlling epidemics, whether Covid-19, Sars or flu, is to test people, trace their contacts and ensure all those who are positive or who have been close to those infected are quarantined."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/02/covid-lockdowns-are-cost-of-self-isolation-failures-says-who-expert

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#2596646 2-Nov-2020 22:43

freitasm: Good luck getting people in some countries to do the best for everyone...

"Lockdowns affecting entire populations is a price countries pay for failing to ensure people with coronavirus and their contacts self-isolate, according to an expert from the World Health Organization.

The WHO does not recommend that countries enter lockdowns. It has consistently said that the key to controlling epidemics, whether Covid-19, Sars or flu, is to test people, trace their contacts and ensure all those who are positive or who have been close to those infected are quarantined."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/02/covid-lockdowns-are-cost-of-self-isolation-failures-says-who-expert

It is stupid that the WHO say people should self isolate, but many people will fail to do this. Many people simply can't be trusted to do the right thing, it is a fact of life. Then you can also get people that will visit those people self isolating. Self isolating failed miserably in NZ, as that is the approach we started with. I know someone who should have been self isolating when they returned but they didn't.

Not only that but many won't know they even have it, in order to self isolate. I don't think too many people have that much respect for the WHO. They seem to flip flop. The lockdown worked for NZ. It is also the only way the UK will get it under control. Likewise it appears to have worked in Victoria. Most countries also didn't have the contact tracing in place for isolation to work. Even now in NZ we are putting many people into quarantine facilities that test positive in the community, as well as close contacts.

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#2596647 2-Nov-2020 22:44

Oblivian:

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Sorry. Clocks been reset after 11. CHC MIQ worker has gone Positive after going symptomatic Saturday.

Lets just say I am not surprised. Isn't that the one where they filmed them smoking out on their balconies? If so they had a very high number of positive cases coming in.

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#2596648 2-Nov-2020 22:55

So the PPE and other measures in MIQ facilities are not stopping staff from getting infected, who then go home, out into the community.

I don't have answer but a bad scenario. Referring to Christchurch one that's just happened. Hopefully not to many contacts that have visited public places in the time frames.

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#2596701 3-Nov-2020 01:41

rugrat:

So the PPE and other measures in MIQ facilities are not stopping staff from getting infected, who then go home, out into the community.

I don't have answer but a bad scenario. Referring to Christchurch one that's just happened. Hopefully not to many contacts that have visited public places in the time frames.

The problem is that PPE isn't foolproof and only reduces the chance of getting it. In China and other Asian countries, their PPE looks a lot more comprehensive when they are dealing with people with Covid. . I suspect the viral loads are also a lot higher when there are a lot of positive cases in hotels. Probably why doctors can get it bad when they work in Covid hospitals.

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#2596709 3-Nov-2020 07:02

We know PPE doesn't work 100% of the time because we've seen doctors and nurses in hospital situations still getting it.

This is where things like baseload come into play. The odds of a hotel worker picking up Covid19 through an inherent vulnerability are much lower if you have fewer people in your facility with Covid19.

As we see more and more people come into NZ with Covid19 (given it is raging in the NH in the lead-up to winter) we will see things like PPE which have a low risk at low volumes becoming more of an issue. Then things like touch points, equipment changing stations, rotations, shared corridors etc go from being low-percentage or abstract transmission routes to things that pose a suddenly unacceptable risk.

Not exactly much you can do, other than investigate and amend process where you are able to. But it's a headache we're going to have to manage given huge numbers of returning Kiwis for the summer and many of them will be coming from rampant hotspots which may have strains that can move faster than we can until we adjust.

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#2596713 3-Nov-2020 07:11

rugrat:

So the PPE and other measures in MIQ facilities are not stopping staff from getting infected, who then go home, out into the community.

I don't have answer but a bad scenario. Referring to Christchurch one that's just happened. Hopefully not to many contacts that have visited public places in the time frames.

PPE and other measures are not 100% protection, its inevitable. Unless everyone wears suits, and is followed around by a cleaner, this can and will happen. Its highly contagious and MIQ staff are always at risk. We could do prison cells, burn used utensils, but in 70,000 travellers, how often has this happened, especially if you exclude the breakouts? If we were gettoing 2 cases a week like this thats different but it seems to be about a low handful divided by 70000

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#2596714 3-Nov-2020 07:14

GV27:

But it's a headache we're going to have to manage given huge numbers of returning Kiwis for the summer and many of them will be coming from rampant hotspots which may have strains that can move faster than we can until we adjust.

I think many of those have another problem, it's booked out. No matter how many want to come back, they are limited by MIQ numbers, sorry, all gone.

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#2596742 3-Nov-2020 07:53

GV27:

We know PPE doesn't work 100% of the time because we've seen doctors and nurses in hospital situations still getting it.

This is where things like baseload come into play. The odds of a hotel worker picking up Covid19 through an inherent vulnerability are much lower if you have fewer people in your facility with Covid19.

As we see more and more people come into NZ with Covid19 (given it is raging in the NH in the lead-up to winter) we will see things like PPE which have a low risk at low volumes becoming more of an issue. Then things like touch points, equipment changing stations, rotations, shared corridors etc go from being low-percentage or abstract transmission routes to things that pose a suddenly unacceptable risk.

Not exactly much you can do, other than investigate and amend process where you are able to. But it's a headache we're going to have to manage given huge numbers of returning Kiwis for the summer and many of them will be coming from rampant hotspots which may have strains that can move faster than we can until we adjust.

there's a reason why the masks that people can't get is called n95 not n100.0

and the masks that people can get ... is probably anywhere between n1-n55 lol

but that doesn't stop people touching the mask then digging their nose and touching everything else in between.

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#2596748 3-Nov-2020 08:28

Slovakia tested two thirds of its population in two days. Just over 1% tested positive.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/02/europe/slovakia-mass-coronavirus-test-intl/index.html

Edit to add that the program used rapid antigen rather than PCR tests.

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#2596955 3-Nov-2020 11:35

For those not aware. As of yesterday, you NEED a pre-approved voucher for entering NZ

Oct 19 Singapore joined the no-negative no-transit team.

And there are so many people expected back for christmas (sigh) that they are expecting MIQ capacity. If anyone tried to now, we will see as pointed out a bunch of 'I can't get home to see my family...' stories in media.

https://www.mbie.govt.nz/business-and-employment/economic-development/covid-19-data-resources/managed-isolation-and-quarantine-data/

AKL is at 0 capacity now. CHC is 52 over (double room fisherman I guess). And the forecast has only 90 spots available.

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#2596961 3-Nov-2020 11:44

Oblivian:

For those not aware. As of yesterday, you NEED a pre-approved voucher for entering NZ

Oct 19 Singapore joined the no-negative no-transit team.

And there are so many people expected back for christmas (sigh) that they are expecting MIQ capacity. If anyone tried to now, we will see as pointed out a bunch of 'I can't get home to see my family...' stories in media.

https://www.mbie.govt.nz/business-and-employment/economic-development/covid-19-data-resources/managed-isolation-and-quarantine-data/

AKL is at 0 capacity now. CHC is 52 over (double room fisherman I guess). And the forecast has only 90 spots available.

News today has one trying to return, booked out. Too bad, there is a virus on, be like the rest of us and deal with it, its hardly been a secret that MIQ is managed, Xmas is Xmas, no surprises as far as I can see

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#2596963 3-Nov-2020 11:45

Auckland all over again

Quiet testing stations by day. But the moment the news breaks they all second guess and rush for them again

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/high-school-student-close-contact-of-christchurch-covid-19-case/BAUKC2LA4LPH5KB7YG57KWHUR4/

Sigh.. Must be of a few that think if you have to when theres news, probably should have been giving yourself piece of mind beforehand.

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#2596968 3-Nov-2020 11:51

tdgeek:

News today has one trying to return, booked out. Too bad, there is a virus on, be like the rest of us and deal with it, its hardly been a secret that MIQ is managed, Xmas is Xmas, no surprises as far as I can see

Christmas is Christmas sure, but the recommendation is still don't do international travel unless you have to. Clearly a totally unrelated event must be on this time of year that means everyone has to be here vs the last few months ;) What's the bet intending to be for 91 days too.

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