Sick of pain meds, will cannabis be legalised this year?

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#2162080 16-Jan-2019 16:55

I live with chronic severe pain. I have severe spasm that create pain. I have bone and nerve pain. The bone and nerve pain also triggers spams that in turn triggers more pain. All this and interupted sleep that doubles down on fatigue etc. It is said that medical cannabis products reduce spasms and that will reduce pain. It is also said to help with fatigue and sleep. It is also saod to help with severe pain. I am saying this as I see posts here that say it will not help with pain, if one is suffering from chronic severe pain ones quality of life is absolute @#$%%$$&. Its constant pressence can bring about dark thoughts. If this will help some of those who suffer as I do then it is worth trying. As I said in an earlier post walk a mile in someone elses shoes and think for a bit.

edit: trying to fix up spelling and other general mess ups. Medication makes thoughts hard to string together

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2162086 16-Jan-2019 17:12

Batman:This reminds me of something. I want to buy shares in cannabis, where/how does one buy shares? (serious question)

Shares in Cannabis? Producers?
You can, of course, buy shares in the three main categories of Cannabis stocks that focus on the medical marijuana industry:Marijuana producers, Cannabis-focused biotechs and Ancillary products and services providers. The larger companies integrate all three - along with major research facilities, and operate internationally.

They're mainly listed on the NYSE and TSX, some on the NASDAQ.
Their share prices fluctuate wildly (eg ACB was down nearly 30% at the beginning of the year, is now rising sharply again)

Canopy Growth Corp. (NYSE:CGC) (TSX:WEED) - world's biggest Cannabis Co. for now, worth over $10 Billion
Aurora Cannabis (NYSE:ACB) (TSX:ACB) - second largest worth about $7 Billion
GW Pharmaceuticals (NASDAQ:GWPH)
Cronos Group (NASDAQ:CRON) (TSX:CRON)
Tilray (NASDAQ:TLRY) etc..

If you consider yourself an 'ethical' investor you need to look closely at exactly what they're doing out there.

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#2162409 17-Jan-2019 09:17

I will be voting to have it at leats for medicinal reasons due to a fmaily member suffering from Chronic pain. The issue with medical research is that very little research is done for illness's that dont kill.

Chronic pain, migraines and other illness that only cause pain and discomfort are not really researched, that was what a doctor at a specialist pain clinic told me.

Medical science is more interested in cures for Cancer and AIDS which I understand however Life isn;t really enjoyable without quality of life so I really feel for those that suffer on a daily basis. I have seen the emotional toll and heartache that living with chronic pain brings first hand and I would not wish it on my worst enemy.

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#2162435 17-Jan-2019 10:06

MikeB4:

I live with chronic severe pain. I have severe spasm that create pain. I have bone and nerve pain. The bone and nerve pain also triggers spams that in turn triggers more pain. All this and interupted sleep that doubles down on fatigue etc. It is said that medical cannabis products reduce spasms and that will reduce pain. It is also said to help with fatigue and sleep. It is also saod to help with severe pain. I am saying this as I see posts here that say it will not help with pain, if one is suffering from chronic severe pain ones quality of life is absolute @#$%%$$&. Its constant pressence can bring about dark thoughts. If this will help some of those who suffer as I do then it is worth trying. As I said in an earlier post walk a mile in someone elses shoes and think for a bit.

I'm sorry to hear that Mike. Based on my husbands experience I would strongly recommend trying some medical marijuana as he was in severe pain and on heavy doses of morphine/tramadol/codeine/paracetemol. Your GP should be able to prescribe Tilray for you.

My husband was also getting very severe spasms in his hands mostly due to having to use crutches so much. I found some hemp balm here - https://nzhempbrokers.com/store/ that made a huge difference when applied to his shoulders and hands. We have subsequently used it for other people too who also found it helped. This company also supplies Hemp oil which may be worth a try as it's not as expensive as Tilray.

The other really good side effect of the CBD oil was a good nights sleep and a return of appetite, which sounds like it would help you too. If I can help with anything else please msg me, and good luck

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#2162799 17-Jan-2019 21:51

TeaLeaf:

I have severely degenerated discs. Not only do they have give you pain killers but also can give benzos as anto muscle spasms.

Now Im not into pot, but I know Indica Low ThC High CBD would really calm my back from spasms causing further damage. My doctor spoke to me about it and if it is available would I be willing to try it.

Labour has said the referendum will happen this year because they dont want to risk it close to next election.

I read October last year ACT in Aus is looking at complete legislation soon and the polls were something like 55% for and 27% against.

Whilst Im not a Pot smoker, I just cant see how its illegal but you can buy cigarettes and even wrose alcohol which kills so many people in one way or another every year. So outside my use, I dont see why we discriminate against those that smoke it recreationally.

They say its a gate way drug, rubbish. Sure some people will be lazy and just smoke it all day, but those people already exist. Giving people Opioids is beyond a gateway drug you are giving them drugs.

One note, it does stay in the system a long time, so work place testing would have to show concentrations indicating recent usage etc. Not a couple of puffs to calm someones anxiety the night before instead of popping 3 valiums which destroy the brain long term and are hard to come off without seizures.

Late to the conversation but:

I have a person who has CRPS with really bad back issues. He was on as strong as you can get short of being in hospital and that includes having stuff like nortitplyne / propanonal as well as the codiene, tramadol pain medications.

He now gets cannabis laced butter and makes muffins with them . It is working for him but:

1 - He is significantly slower for a day or two afterwards and voluntarily does not use power tools or other items requiring concentration

2 - I would personally say he is less buoyant and possibly dampened down emotionally.

3 - I think it is slowly changing his personality and acuity.

Marijuana does cause slowness, anger, irritability etc. it does hang in fat cells which means it builds up in ways other water soluble drugs don't.

It can cause brain damage and other neurological damage.

The big question is quality of life versus lesser quality of life and bad choices on both sides.

Careful voting for legalisation.

There are three states it can be in legally.

Criminalised / Illegal: As it is now. You got it, you get fined or jailed. Users and suppliers both.

Decriminalised: All legislation around it is removed. It could be removed for users and/or suppliers

Legalisation: Tobacco is legalised, as is alcohol. Same in the USA. In USA you cant brew your own alchohol in some states but it is legalised - so only licensed practitioners can brew alcohol.

Legalization often means big pharma or other interests get to hijack it - look at the $1000 price tag for the stuff you can import with THC removed. Its complete bollocks to put prices like that on it but that is what legalization does.

Prostitution in NZ was decriminalized as it was recognized legalizing it can put the vulnerable back in the path of the law. e.g. legal prostitution may require checks at registered clinics and the less affluent, drug addled / vulnerable may have ended up as criminals again when they didn't adhere to a license regime or health regulations. Pot is analogus to that so legalization sounds great but when you have to pay $40 per packet for tobacco - it makes you wonder what the cost of a J will be.

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#2162800 17-Jan-2019 21:54

Horseychick:

MikeB4:

I live with chronic severe pain. I have severe spasm that create pain. I have bone and nerve pain. The bone and nerve pain also triggers spams that in turn triggers more pain. All this and interupted sleep that doubles down on fatigue etc. It is said that medical cannabis products reduce spasms and that will reduce pain. It is also said to help with fatigue and sleep. It is also saod to help with severe pain. I am saying this as I see posts here that say it will not help with pain, if one is suffering from chronic severe pain ones quality of life is absolute @#$%%$$&. Its constant pressence can bring about dark thoughts. If this will help some of those who suffer as I do then it is worth trying. As I said in an earlier post walk a mile in someone elses shoes and think for a bit.

I'm sorry to hear that Mike. Based on my husbands experience I would strongly recommend trying some medical marijuana as he was in severe pain and on heavy doses of morphine/tramadol/codeine/paracetemol. Your GP should be able to prescribe Tilray for you.

My husband was also getting very severe spasms in his hands mostly due to having to use crutches so much. I found some hemp balm here - https://nzhempbrokers.com/store/ that made a huge difference when applied to his shoulders and hands. We have subsequently used it for other people too who also found it helped. This company also supplies Hemp oil which may be worth a try as it's not as expensive as Tilray.

The other really good side effect of the CBD oil was a good nights sleep and a return of appetite, which sounds like it would help you too. If I can help with anything else please msg me, and good luck

@MikeB4 My sympathies too. I have CRiPS but am still able to make choices to live without pain meds by trading off other types of pain to allieviate my injury issues. It is a bloody awful way to live.

See my previous post. It has worked for a friend who sounds similar to you in meds levels he was on.

His GP was no use re medical MJ. Unfortunately milage varies with them so if one doesn't try another.

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#2162881 18-Jan-2019 07:58

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/109979248/nzmj-editorial-urges-caution-in-changing-cannabis-laws-warns-risks-being-downplayed

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#2165596 22-Jan-2019 17:20

I dont know if it will be for me or help my pain and neurology issues. But as Mike was saying re spasms. I have similar issues and yes the spasms are what cause the pain and yes pot is proven it CAN (not promised) help with spasms, seizures, neurological and auto immune disorders ie MS, muscle spasms due to nerve damage etc.

But my Dr spoke to me about CBD medicines, and I looked into it. Completely cost prohibitive.

So Id be voting no to Government only medicinal medications.

I also dont care what people grow or smoke as the risks of lung illness (ie bronchitis) are easily avoided and "stoners" being unmotivated is going to happen regardless.

Imagine prohibition back on Alcohol, a Poison. People should have a human right to consume what they as adults (which is the only concern I have) decide is good for them.

I honestly thought NZ would be world leaders 20 years ago in legalisation, its absurd imo we are dragging our feet.

I would imagine hiring some consultants in states in the US where it is working well, and model it off that, so the Government doesn't have an excuse to drag this out another 2 decades.

Im for this one Nunz

"Legalisation: Tobacco is legalised, as is alcohol. Same in the USA. In USA you cant brew your own alchohol in some states but it is legalised - so only licensed practitioners can brew alcohol.".

Instead of locking growers up, give them jobs but lets make sure what is grown is controlled like Alcohol, seeds used from the States etc.

I respect every persons right to an opinion of course.

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#2165600 22-Jan-2019 17:41

I am a little suspicious of the RNZ link. It seems authoritative but the main objection of the person quoted seems to be that pot might make people less inclined to want to sling hamburgers for a living. I'm not sure that is a valid reason to keep it illegal.

In the meantime, I see that National is now mounting a concerted campaign under Paula Bennet to oppose liberalisation. Why am I not surprised?

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#2165601 22-Jan-2019 17:48

Rikkitic:

In the meantime, it is worth noting that this data only deals with the effectiveness of pain relief. Even if cannabis is not a good for that, which is questionable in view of the considerable evidence to the contrary, many people who use it do so to combat nausea and lack of appetite from treatments like chemotherapy. These benefits alone justify the use of cannabis or any other substance to relieve suffering.

100%. I should not have made this about pain relief. Pain should be termed PITA. Because the symptoms of chronic illness while maybe not extreme pain, are a pain.

Instead of paralysis by analysis, how about they just apply some common sense. Its use is unlikely to change in vast quantities vs the current law. Alcohol is bad for youths as is any poison or drug. Alcohol is harmful to all adults whether they realise it or not. Which one is more harmful personally and to society? Which one is legal to consume?

Its not even worth trying to dig out scientific papers to prove for or against because papers are both pro and con either way.

The only real way to know if it is damaging personally and to society is to test it in society.

Legalise it and have a referendum in 5-10 years to vote yes or no to keep its current legality based on real world simulation. I am 99.999999% sure it will do much less damage than Alcohol, sugar, peanuts, wheat, heavy pain killers, paracetamol, other pharms to Adults.

Sugar was invented as a drug, look at the damage its doing to society as an additive in almost everything outside whole foods.

Again, common sense should prevail not analysis paralysis, you will never get a conclusive yes or no in trials. I know how they work the lady has a double Doctorate in biological science.

Rikkitic:

I am a little suspicious of the RNZ link. It seems authoritative but the main objection of the person quoted seems to be that pot might make people less inclined to want to sling hamburgers for a living. I'm not sure that is a valid reason to keep it illegal.

In the meantime, I see that National is now mounting a concerted campaign under Paula Bennet to oppose liberalisation. Why am I not surprised?

You would think the opposite given the infamous "munchies" hahaha. Of all the people I have known that smoke pot daily, only 1 was unmotivated. He turned 50, went to University, got a Degree in IT and now works in Japan doing so. He was lazy as a kid.

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#2165639 22-Jan-2019 18:01

While we disagree more than agree on cricket, I hope tomorrow works well for you. Natural medicine does work well.

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#2165646 22-Jan-2019 18:17

tdgeek:

While we disagree more than agree on cricket, I hope tomorrow works well for you. Natural medicine does work well.

Opinions are the spice of life td, I consider you my ally in sport.

What is happening tomorrow?

I actually like what one of the bud tenders in Amsterdam said on youtube, they are working toward more transparency, growing, and he literally said "very similar to the Breweries".

If it is sold at dispensaries and or cafes, with photo ID, it could be more revenue for our Tourism budget.

But what should the legal age be? Given some Ive read on here are saying it interferes with the growth of young brains?

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#2165677 22-Jan-2019 18:25

TeaLeaf:

But what should the legal age be? Given some Ive read on here are saying it interferes with the growth of young brains?

Alcohol also impedes the growing brain so you might as well have it at the same age limit because they are still going to get it.

Whilst the difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer. However, miracles you will have to wait for.

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#2165717 22-Jan-2019 18:58

TeaLeaf:

Opinions are the spice of life td, I consider you my ally in sport.

What is happening tomorrow?

India vs NZ, McLean Park, 30C temp.

Its the start of our world cup campaign off course!

We will struggle probably, subject to the ups and downs of ODI's, but when you play better teams you grow, and we will.

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#2165719 22-Jan-2019 18:59

FineWine:

TeaLeaf:

But what should the legal age be? Given some Ive read on here are saying it interferes with the growth of young brains?

Alcohol also impedes the growing brain so you might as well have it at the same age limit because they are still going to get it.

The mechanism of how both may impede adolescent brain development is better understood these days, google "cannabis synaptic pruning". Personal opinion, but I'd put more weight on that as the measurable difference in brain structure is more definite than links to psychosis etc, where it's a little confusing - whether subjects possibly already showing early signs of psychosis self medicate with or are inclined to experiment with drugs. (Conversely, I've seen too many cases where adolescents seem to have had onset of psychosis correlating to use of synthetic cannabinoids to think that's mere coincidence.)

IMO 20 is probably about right, 18 as we have with alcohol probably too low - especially given that there's a couple of years crossover - when the booze limit was 20, as 18yos it was no problem to find a 20 year old mate to buy a crate for us. Now 16yos front up routinely at EDs with alcohol poisoning.

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