2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2631354 6-Jan-2021 20:42

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freitasm: Interesting thread (Twitter below, full thread reader unrolled here):

Was the infection source or sources wearing a mask?

Herein known as A. And B.

Yes.

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/3/20-4714_article

But that's self-reported. And as it suggests, believed they remove for food service etc. So lots of variables still allow for contamination mixed with the stopovers and so on

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#2631440 7-Jan-2021 08:00

"UK records more than 1,000 daily virus deaths"

The UK has reported a further 1,041 people have died with coronavirus, the highest daily death toll since April.

It came as 62,322 new cases were recorded, the highest daily rise since mass testing began, as MPs debated England's lockdown.

Health Secretary Matt Hancock said doctors could be forced to ration treatment without the new curbs.

There are 30,074 Covid patients in UK hospitals, he said, as an ambulance trust told of severe pressure.

Current patient numbers are 39% higher than the previous peak on 12 April last year, when 21,684 were hospitalised.

The number of those who died within 28 days of a positive test in the past week is 37% higher than the previous seven days.

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#2631725 7-Jan-2021 13:05

"London will be overwhelmed by covid in a fortnight says leaked NHS England briefing"

NHS England London medical director Vin Diwakar set out the stark analysis to the medical directors of London’s hospital trusts on a Zoom call.

The NHS England presentation, seen by HSJ (see slides below story), showed that even if the number of covid patients grew at the lowest rate considered likely, and measures to manage demand and increase capacity, including open the capital’s Nightingale hospital, were successful, the NHS in London would be short of nearly 2,000 general and acute and intensive care beds by 19 January.

The briefing forecasts demand for both G&A and intensive care beds, for both covid and non-covid patients, against capacity. It accounts for the impact of planned measures to mitigate demand and increase capacity.

For both G&A and intensive care, three scenarios are detailed: “Best”, which projects 4 per cent daily growth; “average” which plots 5 per cent daily growth; and “worse” which forecasts 6 per cent daily growth.

The briefing says that growth on 5 January was 3.5 per cent for G&A beds 4.8 per cent for ICU beds.

Under the “best” case scenario, the number of covid patients in G&A beds is projected to rise to 9,500 by 19 January, while the number of non-covid patients stays the same at 7,460 (as it does under all the scenarios).

After some very small demand control measures, total demand is projected as 17,100. The briefing then sets out ways the capacity might be increased. These measures include the NHS finding another 400 beds, and the independent sector 50. These would be complemented by 1,000 “step down beds”, some of the supplied by the opening of the capital’s Nightingale hospital, and 150 freed up by specialist trusts.

This gives total capacity of 15,600 – 1,500 short of forecast demand.

The shortfall in beds – described as a “mitigated deficit” – in the “average” scenario is 2,900 and 4,400 in the “worse” one.

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#2631747 7-Jan-2021 13:41

Well amidst all the Doom and Gloom, there are glimmers of hope coming out of Australia with the first double "doughnut" days in weeks.

No local cases reported in NSW and VIC, (although NSW have noted one after the cut off)- around 57,000 tests across the 2 states over the last 24 hours....

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-07/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid19-latest-new-south-wales/13037510

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#2631748 7-Jan-2021 13:49

Have to roll my eyes at the latest English lockdown. Headlines might make it come across as a complete lockdown but garden centres are still open !

The full list of essential businesses is:

Food shops
Supermarkets
Garden centres
Pharmacies
Building merchants and suppliers of building products
Off-licences
Market stalls selling essential retail
Businesses providing repair services may also stay open, where they primarily offer repair services
Petrol stations, automatic (but not manual) car washes, vehicle repair and MOT services, bicycle shops, and taxi and vehicle hire businesses

Yeah, Nah, people will still be out there spreading their germs.

Most of the posters in this thread are just like chimpanzees on MDMA, full of feelings of bonhomie, joy, and optimism. Fred99 8/4/21

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#2631792 7-Jan-2021 15:10

Thanks mods, the formatting was messy from my cut n paste.

Most of the posters in this thread are just like chimpanzees on MDMA, full of feelings of bonhomie, joy, and optimism. Fred99 8/4/21

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#2631793 7-Jan-2021 15:16

elpenguino:

Garden centres

So you are potentially stuck at home with your kids for months ... but can nip out to get stuff to tend your "green and pleasant land"...

The country deserves Boris, ... they are totally screwed....

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#2631812 7-Jan-2021 15:37

wellygary:

elpenguino:

Garden centres

So you are potentially stuck at home with your kids for months ... but can nip out to get stuff to tend your "green and pleasant land"...

The country deserves Boris, ... they are totally screwed....

You can buy almost anything at UK garden centres - they're a social outing in themselves in some areas. I remember just before leaving the UK, I desperately needed a cheap electric lawnmower to leave in the house we were letting out. The problem was, it was early October, so the garden centre had already removed all the lawnmowers from the shelves and replaced them with Christmas decorations - Christmas is a 3-month consumer frenzy there

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#2631828 7-Jan-2021 16:09

shk292:

You can buy almost anything at UK garden centres - they're a social outing in themselves in some areas. I remember just before leaving the UK, I desperately needed a cheap electric lawnmower to leave in the house we were letting out. The problem was, it was early October, so the garden centre had already removed all the lawnmowers from the shelves and replaced them with Christmas decorations - Christmas is a 3-month consumer frenzy there

I imagine they are a UK version of Bunnings, with many more plants...

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#2631830 7-Jan-2021 16:13

Australia has just announced more details of their vaccine rollout incl a February planned start. They expect to have up to 4 million people vaccinated by the end of March.

It's going to be a long wait here in NZ...

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#2631876 7-Jan-2021 16:17

sbiddle:

Australia has just announced more details of their vaccine rollout incl a February planned start. They expect to have up to 4 million people vaccinated by the end of March.

It's going to be a long wait here in NZ...

The current NZ rollout date in NZ of Q2 2021 will become politically untenable by next month ...

If the TGA in OZ approve it for General use (and by next month there will have been many millions of doses administrated around the world) Medsafe in NZ will likely fall in line and approve it fairly quickly....

I suspect Q2 will quite quickly become March...

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#2631877 7-Jan-2021 16:17

sbiddle:

Australia has just announced more details of their vaccine rollout incl a February planned start. They expect to have up to 4 million people vaccinated by the end of March.

It's going to be a long wait here in NZ...

That's fine with me. I'm happy to not be first and let the government perfect their tracking software. 🥶

Or for the success rates to be confirmed, whichever you believe in.

Most of the posters in this thread are just like chimpanzees on MDMA, full of feelings of bonhomie, joy, and optimism. Fred99 8/4/21

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#2631988 7-Jan-2021 19:07

wellygary:

The current NZ rollout date in NZ of Q2 2021 will become politically untenable by next month ...

If the TGA in OZ approve it for General use (and by next month there will have been many millions of doses administrated around the world) Medsafe in NZ will likely fall in line and approve it fairly quickly....

I suspect Q2 will quite quickly become March...

Q2 (late May /June) is only for essential workers and border staff. General public isn't planned to start in the 2nd half of the year, with priority people first, and then the general public from Q3 2021 until the end of Q1 2022.

One of the issues is we committed to several vaccines incl Novavax (which may well end up being the best vaccine when results of phase 3 announced in a week or so) quite late, so we're having to wait a long time for them.

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#2632075 7-Jan-2021 21:36

athletes looking to jump queue to get vaccinated to play sports

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/jan/06/ioc-seeks-covid-vaccines-for-athletes-in-second-wave-tokyo-olympics

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#2632279 8-Jan-2021 10:59

The Queensland Isolation Hotel working who tested positive to Covid a couple of days ago has the more infectious British Strain of Covid.

Victoria and now Queensland are doing daily Covid tests for all hotel works at the start of their shifts.
It makes sense but I do feel of them having pipe cleaners stuck up there nose/down their throat every day.
I hope they are getting extra pay to cover there dangers/discomfort of their job.

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