2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2643769 28-Jan-2021 18:00

Ooook.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-twelve-pullman-hotel-guests-travelled-to-australia/VDFZ2NXR44TOCEJFHVGI5ASZYY/

Something doesn't add up here. Unless you are doing so for an urgent funeral or similar for all of ~3 day visit.

We know that 12 people who were in quarantine at the Pullman Hotel have arrived in Sydney. Three of these people have travelled on to Hong Kong and the authorities there have been advised.

"Two of these people travelled on to Queensland and the authorities there have also been advised.

"The others are all being followed up in New South Wales and are being tested.

Why on earth would you spend 14 days in a hotel in NZ. At a cost. Only to spend all of a few days here, and get on a plane again. Let alone travel on to Hong Kong. I thought the criteria was returning residents...

Call me skeptical. But one would hope that number isn't totally made up of people living overseas, on a temp visa needing to visit passport country to renew/validate without intention of paying for your isolation knowing the government doesn't chase it..

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#2643787 28-Jan-2021 18:42

COVID-19: NZ COVID Tracer app data | Ministry of Health NZ

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#2643788 28-Jan-2021 18:45

Pitty it doesn't have ESP and the ability to remember where you were for past 3 weeks when you start using it today

/public logic failure

It was ~1M prev outbreak too and dropped off. It's not the now that people needed to hit that. But 2 weeks ago.

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#2643816 28-Jan-2021 20:54

GV27:

Really worried at the back and forth about vaccine effectiveness in media outlets. Not so much what is being discussed - this stuff needs to be hashed out.

More worried about the mere presence of doubt being something that disingenuous anti-vaxxers will seize upon to further their own agenda.

Clickbait drives the media. It's crap really.

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#2643818 28-Jan-2021 20:59

Oblivian:

Ooook.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-twelve-pullman-hotel-guests-travelled-to-australia/VDFZ2NXR44TOCEJFHVGI5ASZYY/

Something doesn't add up here. Unless you are doing so for an urgent funeral or similar for all of ~3 day visit.

We know that 12 people who were in quarantine at the Pullman Hotel have arrived in Sydney. Three of these people have travelled on to Hong Kong and the authorities there have been advised.

"Two of these people travelled on to Queensland and the authorities there have also been advised.

"The others are all being followed up in New South Wales and are being tested.

Why on earth would you spend 14 days in a hotel in NZ. At a cost. Only to spend all of a few days here, and get on a plane again. Let alone travel on to Hong Kong. I thought the criteria was returning residents...

Call me skeptical. But one would hope that number isn't totally made up of people living overseas, on a temp visa needing to visit passport country to renew/validate without intention of paying for your isolation knowing the government doesn't chase it..

What's really concerning about this is the fact Bloomfield can't answer why the NZ number is different (from listening to his interview earlier I believe MoH are saying 3 people have left NZ). Australia seem to know who these people are and it's inferred they have contacted them. If that is true how can the MoH have been in touch with everybody that has left the hotel and seemingly not know this?

Listening to some of the complex questions being asked by media at present I get the feeling there are things being leaked that they're wanting Bloomfield to publicly answer, he's getting a bit grumpy with some of the questioning.

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#2643829 28-Jan-2021 21:19

I was under the impression that the Pulllman was being partially used for visiting aircrew - perhaps that would explain the departures?

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#2643847 28-Jan-2021 22:31

sbiddle:

What's really concerning about this is the fact Bloomfield can't answer why the NZ number is different (from listening to his interview earlier I believe MoH are saying 3 people have left NZ). Australia seem to know who these people are and it's inferred they have contacted them. If that is true how can the MoH have been in touch with everybody that has left the hotel and seemingly not know this?

Listening to some of the complex questions being asked by media at present I get the feeling there are things being leaked that they're wanting Bloomfield to publicly answer, he's getting a bit grumpy with some of the questioning.

It wouldn't be the first time the MOH has had "dissonance" in it's information.

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#2643849 28-Jan-2021 22:35

Oblivian:

Ooook.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-twelve-pullman-hotel-guests-travelled-to-australia/VDFZ2NXR44TOCEJFHVGI5ASZYY/

Something doesn't add up here. Unless you are doing so for an urgent funeral or similar for all of ~3 day visit.

We know that 12 people who were in quarantine at the Pullman Hotel have arrived in Sydney. Three of these people have travelled on to Hong Kong and the authorities there have been advised.

"Two of these people travelled on to Queensland and the authorities there have also been advised.

"The others are all being followed up in New South Wales and are being tested.

Why on earth would you spend 14 days in a hotel in NZ. At a cost. Only to spend all of a few days here, and get on a plane again. Let alone travel on to Hong Kong. I thought the criteria was returning residents...

Call me skeptical. But one would hope that number isn't totally made up of people living overseas, on a temp visa needing to visit passport country to renew/validate without intention of paying for your isolation knowing the government doesn't chase it..

The criteria is returning citizens, not residents.

Australia has a huge backlog of citizens & residents wanting to return, much much bigger than NZ. If an expat NZ citizen who is normally resident in Australia or who has found a job in Australia wanted to return via NZ that would be pretty logical.

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#2643857 28-Jan-2021 22:55

Handle9:

The criteria is returning citizens, not residents.

Australia has a huge backlog of citizens & residents wanting to return, much much bigger than NZ. If an expat NZ citizen who is normally resident in Australia or who has found a job in Australia wanted to return via NZ that would be pretty logical.

If you were returning via NZ, I wouldn't imagine many would handle the $3K 14 day additional bugbear over arranging a better connecting flight transit?

I mean most are transiting via Singapore and Dubai for similar reason. And if the sheer number of 'disappointed' Green zone flyers interviewed on tv alone when the 72hr block was put in was anything to go by. The majority of them seemed to be hanging out for the cheaper option of free arrival, and disappointed at the sudden extra cost or need to re-plan around a 14 day isolation on arrival there

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#2643892 29-Jan-2021 02:42

Oblivian:
Handle9:

The criteria is returning citizens, not residents.

Australia has a huge backlog of citizens & residents wanting to return, much much bigger than NZ. If an expat NZ citizen who is normally resident in Australia or who has found a job in Australia wanted to return via NZ that would be pretty logical.

If you were returning via NZ, I wouldn't imagine many would handle the $3K 14 day additional bugbear over arranging a better connecting flight transit?

I mean most are transiting via Singapore and Dubai for similar reason. And if the sheer number of 'disappointed' Green zone flyers interviewed on tv alone when the 72hr block was put in was anything to go by. The majority of them seemed to be hanging out for the cheaper option of free arrival, and disappointed at the sudden extra cost or need to re-plan around a 14 day isolation on arrival there

It's almost impossible to get entry to Australia - the numbers trying to enter there are huge, per capita they have far fewer beds than NZ and they recently have halved their entries from many countries. It's even more expensive to isolate there. If someone wanted to enter Australia the easiest way would be to do miq in NZ and then connect to Australia on a quarantine free flight. I know a number of people actively trying to do this.

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#2643899 29-Jan-2021 06:29

accuracy aside, interesting nonetheless

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#2643901 29-Jan-2021 07:28

The Pullman issue will be something simple like a surface that was low-risk when the facility had a handful of infections with the less-infectious original variants that is suddenly a high risk surface when you have more people with a more infectious variant walking around. It was possibly always going to happen and may yet happen in other MIQ facilities.

Two things bother me: The dumb luck that the more infectious variant managed to get out but apparently hasn't caused a long chain of transmission despite these people visiting numerous crowded places for long periods of time in multiple districts seems incredibly lucky on our part. Secondly, the fact that if it is out there and there is a longer incubation period, then we may be seeing people returning negative tests now who may yet start showing symptoms. But I guess we'll know more about how likely that is today.

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#2643911 29-Jan-2021 07:49

Handle9: t's even more expensive to isolate there. If someone wanted to enter Australia the easiest way would be to do miq in NZ and then connect to Australia on a quarantine free flight. I know a number of people actively trying to do this.

Sure. Trying. To plan to do that successfully for these cases would have to be a miracle to avoid he associated dangers and cost bears for both ends with restricted entry numbers.

Likely wouldn't have had any idea when the BNE flights were going to start before even getting here (confirmed/start Jan5?)

And to have a free booking slot fall in the lap for the same open period when we're told there's no capacity through march for those who got in before November. While the Syd ones only kicked off in Oct, during that pretty much pre booked period.

With any luck the standup will explain better than we can surmise. But using nz as a transit ws likely not the govt intention when everyones warned not to travel.

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#2643933 29-Jan-2021 08:59

Covid Performance - Lowy Institute

Lots of data and interactive charts to play with. As of today, best response was New Zealand, worst was Brazil (and USA is on the bottom ten as well). There's also a country comparison tool.

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#2643944 29-Jan-2021 09:23

quote Oblivian:

Ooook.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-twelve-pullman-hotel-guests-travelled-to-australia/VDFZ2NXR44TOCEJFHVGI5ASZYY/

Something doesn't add up here. Unless you are doing so for an urgent funeral or similar for all of ~3 day visit.

We know that 12 people who were in quarantine at the Pullman Hotel have arrived in Sydney. Three of these people have travelled on to Hong Kong and the authorities there have been advised.

"Two of these people travelled on to Queensland and the authorities there have also been advised.

"The others are all being followed up in New South Wales and are being tested.

Call me skeptical. But one would hope that number isn't totally made up of people living overseas, on a temp visa needing to visit passport country to renew/validate without intention of paying for your isolation knowing the government doesn't chase it..

quote sbiddle:

What's really concerning about this is the fact Bloomfield can't answer why the NZ number is different (from listening to his interview earlier I believe MoH are saying 3 people have left NZ). Australia seem to know who these people are and it's inferred they have contacted them. If that is true how can the MoH have been in touch with everybody that has left the hotel and seemingly not know this?

Listening to some of the complex questions being asked by media at present I get the feeling there are things being leaked that they're wanting Bloomfield to publicly answer, he's getting a bit grumpy with some of the questioning.

Call me sceptical too. Why would someone go directly from MIQ in New Zealand to Australia?

The big leak was the other day when Hone Harariwa made the announcement of two more infections quite some time before any official announcement.

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