2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2755671 5-Aug-2021 14:05

wellygary:

gzt:

Imo NZ has the expertise and technical base required for vaccine manufacturing. NZ should start doing this for the region and beyond.

Why.....

The production lines at CSL in Melbourne have capacity to produce up to 1 million doses of AZ per WEEK, its currently producing a small fraction of that,,,,

As to why, mRNA vaccines are going to be the future, resulting in huge improvements in infectious disease control (and possibly more).

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#2755690 5-Aug-2021 14:24

Fred99:

As to why, mRNA vaccines are going to be the future, resulting in huge improvements in infectious disease control (and possibly more).

It would be interesting to find out what happened to the Gates foundation's 7 vaccine factories they said they were funding in April 2020
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/04/bill-gates-7-potential-coronavirus-vaccines

especially that given that less than a month later Pfizer started their phase 1 trials of their mRNA vaccine
https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/how-pfizer-moderna-oxford-covid-vaccine-was-developed-in-record-time-7077085/

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#2755718 5-Aug-2021 15:07

Taiwan has advanced independent vaccine effort, they might be uniquely open to alliances.

Early in pandemic as well as putting in place extensive PPE manufacturing, they prioritized vaccine development too.
Knowing well politics.

Tsai books Medigen shot, despite wait
THE HOME TEAM: DPP Legislator Kao Chia-yu said she canceled her booking for an AstraZeneca shot as soon as she heard that the Medigen vaccine was an option
https://taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2021/07/29/2003761650

First local vaccine batches ready: FDA
MEDIGEN: The Central Epidemic Command Center plans to wait until about 500,000 to 600,000 doses have passed testing before offering it in the vaccination program
https://taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2021/08/03/2003761925

Its subunit protein vaccine like Novavax.
Big Pharma have a huge advantage due to their experience doing large trials and dealing with FDA intricacies.
Probably why Novavax has had delays in getting USA approval, having a steep learning curve, but seem to be progressing none the less..

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#2755726 5-Aug-2021 15:24

gzt: Imo NZ has the expertise and technical base required for vaccine manufacturing. NZ should start doing this for the region and beyond.

Not really. NZ has an highly limited capacity to manufacture in validated environments. Expanding that isn't easy or fast.

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#2755731 5-Aug-2021 16:07

Handle9:
gzt: Imo NZ has the expertise and technical base required for vaccine manufacturing. NZ should start doing this for the region and beyond.

Not really. NZ has an highly limited capacity to manufacture in validated environments. Expanding that isn't easy or fast.

A Christchurch drug manufacturer has said it has the capability now to manufacture Covid vaccines

edit; I had the locale incorrect it is Timaru

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#2755735 5-Aug-2021 16:14

MikeB4:

Not really. NZ has an highly limited capacity to manufacture in validated environments. Expanding that isn't easy or fast.

A Christchurch drug manufacturer has said it has the capability now to manufacture Covid vaccines

They may claim that they have capabilities but that doesn't mean they have capacity. I've been involved in building pharmaceutical faculties and it's not like throwing up a warehouse in Riccarton.

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#2755738 5-Aug-2021 16:19

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-coronavirus-five-deaths-and-262-new-cases-in-nsw-new-outbreak-in-victoria-queensland-clusters-grow/LVQXLXHTRHIKBKKXN72NLMZKRU/

AU cluster grows. they are a bit too close for comfort.

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#2755739 5-Aug-2021 16:20

Handle9:

They may claim that they have capabilities but that doesn't mean they have capacity. I've been involved in building pharmaceutical faculties and it's not like throwing up a warehouse in Riccarton.

Oh OK you must be right then and they have no idea

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#2755742 5-Aug-2021 16:23

Tasmania has their first confirmed case in over a year - traveller from Sydney who somehow "escaped" and got to Tasmania via Victoria on a flight on Monday , was intercepted and quarantined as he didn't have the required pass - then somehow managed to skip quarantine to fly back to Sydney yesterday - before his positive test was returned.

Sounds like a complete debacle.

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#2755743 5-Aug-2021 16:29

Dratsab:

Ha ha ha... that reminds me of this tshirt Glenn Fricker wore on his channel for a while.

That's something that annoys me too. All these new age Social Media internet-in-my-hand-makes-me-an-expert soapboxers. Most of them, over the age of about 22..

What does that mean? They need to go ask their Plunket for their vaccination card as there's the high probability their parents actually listened to doctors, didn't question them because Dr Google sounds smarter, and they're likely jabbed to the hilt. Yet suddenly with the advancement of tech and science compared to back then... it' suddenly a bad idea for them (and their children) now.

But then there is the risk they bring up the ChickenPox parties. Which you can go back with Measles wasn't such an issue before facebook and easily fed BS from about '92

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#2755785 5-Aug-2021 16:47

freitasm: 'He was the fittest, healthiest person I know': UK fitness enthusiast who rejected Covid-19 vaccine dies at 42 | Stuff.co.nz

Yes, this is a "bad taste" cartoon. But true. 😶

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#2755787 5-Aug-2021 16:51

Taking a leaf out of the Bitts book

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-us-developing-plan-require-foreign-visitors-be-vaccinated-official-2021-08-04/

Wait for the uproar about 'rights' and 'Bill of rights' being trampled on. At least it's the end country and not the Airline that are going to cop it like early indicators and complaints were directing toward.

Now for people to realise there is a difference between a right, a choice, and a privilege. Shock horror. Not exclusive or the same.

"you can't stop me smoking outside, it's my right!". No, that's an un-natural choice. Consequence. "You can't stop me travelling", errr. That's a privilege, and there is a right of carriage refusal.

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#2755791 5-Aug-2021 16:57

Oblivian:

Taking a leaf out of the Bitts book

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-us-developing-plan-require-foreign-visitors-be-vaccinated-official-2021-08-04/

Wait for the uproar about 'rights' and 'Bill of rights' being trampled on. At least it's the end country and not the Airline that are going to cop it like early indicators and complaints were directing toward.

Now for people to realise there is a difference between a right, a choice, and a privilege. Shock horror. Not exclusive or the same.

"you can't stop me smoking outside, it's my right!". No, that's an un-natural choice. Consequence. "You can't stop me travelling", errr. That's a privilege, and there is a right of carriage refusal.

They won't care - it's for foreigners only.

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#2755793 5-Aug-2021 17:03

Handle9:

Oblivian:

Taking a leaf out of the Bitts book

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-us-developing-plan-require-foreign-visitors-be-vaccinated-official-2021-08-04/

Wait for the uproar about 'rights' and 'Bill of rights' being trampled on. At least it's the end country and not the Airline that are going to cop it like early indicators and complaints were directing toward.

Now for people to realise there is a difference between a right, a choice, and a privilege. Shock horror. Not exclusive or the same.

"you can't stop me smoking outside, it's my right!". No, that's an un-natural choice. Consequence. "You can't stop me travelling", errr. That's a privilege, and there is a right of carriage refusal.

They won't care - it's for foreigners only.

Exactly...

Just like them fingerprinting all non-citizens entering the country, if they did it to locals all H#ll would break loose and there would be lawsuits flying left and right...

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#2755794 5-Aug-2021 17:04

Oblivian:
Taking a leaf out of the Bitts book

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-us-developing-plan-require-foreign-visitors-be-vaccinated-official-2021-08-04/

Wait for the uproar about 'rights' and 'Bill of rights' being trampled on. At least it's the end country and not the Airline that are going to cop it like early indicators and complaints were directing toward.

Now for people to realise there is a difference between a right, a choice, and a privilege. Shock horror. Not exclusive or the same.

"you can't stop me smoking outside, it's my right!". No, that's an un-natural choice. Consequence. "You can't stop me travelling", errr. That's a privilege, and there is a right of carriage refusal.

I am sorry but your post above came across quite click-baity when in fact the Reuters report was simply that, a report.

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