2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2784323 26-Sep-2021 10:08

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heavenlywild: ^Agree.

We basically patted ourselves on the back for 18 months only for the world to come back and laugh at us.

We've done well but we didn't make the most of it due to the vaccination stroll out. End of story.

Why would the world be laughing at us?

They aren't.

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#2784326 26-Sep-2021 10:23

kiwikurt:

I don't think a political PR piece inserted into the two largest print media outlets is a high bar that's for sure.

It's been a constant thing since the start of the pandemic, opinion pieces claiming that "it's just the flu", that an elimination strategy would fail, that an elimination strategy would be crippling to the economy, that without tourism we'd all be starving..

Now - "we have to open up immediately" when that's very clearly about the dumbest thing we could do.

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#2784381 26-Sep-2021 11:01

Batman: Here's the another person's take on it

https://www.theguardian.com/world/commentisfree/2021/sep/24/once-covid-world-beaters-the-mood-in-new-zealand-is-changing-and-jacinda-ardern-knows-it

the decision to let about 300,000 people go back to their places of work when Auckland’s still getting 15-30 cases a day in the community is a turning point in the government’s approach to this pandemic.

The 'turning point' in NZ is vaccination. After that is a measured progression out of the various levels of lockdown. What do all the critics want NZ to do? Stay locked down longer? Or do we gradually move out of lockdown as vaccination rates increase? Going forward are we allowed to change the strategy on the fly to cope with a changing situation?

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#2784385 26-Sep-2021 11:11

kiwikurt:

I love that the organisation that wrote it thinks $25 is a genuine incentive. It gives it that real "here peasants" energy.

It's about what the last benefit increase was, so I think it's fitting in with what is considered compassionate here at a government level too.

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#2784386 26-Sep-2021 11:20

Fred99:

Now - "we have to open up immediately" when that's very clearly about the dumbest thing we could do.

Show me the bit in that piece where it says that we have to open up before we get more people vaccinated?

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#2784395 26-Sep-2021 11:32

Fred99:

kiwikurt:

I don't think a political PR piece inserted into the two largest print media outlets is a high bar that's for sure.

It's been a constant thing since the start of the pandemic, opinion pieces claiming that "it's just the flu", that an elimination strategy would fail, that an elimination strategy would be crippling to the economy, that without tourism we'd all be starving..

Now - "we have to open up immediately" when that's very clearly about the dumbest thing we could do.

Did you even read the piece or just trash it because you don't like Sir John Key? He doesn't say anywhere we should open immediately, and quite frankly that's not a line I've seen any mainstream media push since very early on in the pandemic.

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#2784410 26-Sep-2021 11:49

GV27:

It's about what the last benefit increase was, so I think it's fitting in with what is considered compassionate here at a government level too.

Which I thought was pretty pathetic.

Balancing incentives and disincentives for vaccination in a pandemic

However, a systematic review identified incentive-based interventions as among the least successful measures for increasing vaccine uptake.

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#2784424 26-Sep-2021 12:16

sbiddle:

Did you even read the piece or just trash it because you don't like Sir John Key? He doesn't say anywhere we should open immediately, and quite frankly that's not a line I've seen any mainstream media push since very early on in the pandemic.

When I get to a sentences such as:

The only urgency we’ve seen for months is an enthusiasm to lock down our country, lock up our people and lock out our citizens who are overseas.

Then it becomes pretty clear that it's a political hit-piece from a very shallow thinker.

And a lie.

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#2784425 26-Sep-2021 12:35

I thought John Keys article was pretty well on the money.

At least he showed some leadership and mapped out his idea of a strategy.

His item number 5 was particularly good.

Instead, reassure people that living with the virus is possible, as long as you're vaccinated. Take positive actions like funding Pharmac to invest in therapies proven to help fight the virus, build up our hospital capacity and workforce, use saliva testing for Covid, subsidise home-testing kits for Covid and order booster shots now.

That's more than we've seen so far where things appear to be made up on the fly.

Chris Hipkins' response to John Keys article on the other hand was pathetic.

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#2784426 26-Sep-2021 12:40

Distilling New Zealand's vaccination efforts to a "Fear Campaign".
A big win for antivax messaging that they are the brave and true.
Disparaging those who got vaccinated due to sensible messaging as giving into fear.
Own Goal Scored.

Some is not new, and actually happening as relaxed storage rules and vaccine supply allows.
Positive events have been supported around Pacifica and Maori Health providers for their community to expand inclusiveness.

Communities supported to do all sorts of things to create vaccination events as we get capacity.

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#2784428 26-Sep-2021 12:48

I think Ardern rolling out Hendy was a mistake and people are sick and tired of the same old fearmongering.

That was a huge PR mistake. Then you have Sir John Key coming in with some pragmatism which makes last Thursday's "stunt" look even worse.

Hendy has lost some credibility too by defending his unrealistic modelling showing if there were no public health measures. Of course there would be some measures!

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#2784429 26-Sep-2021 12:50

Lots of armchair wisdom here. I'm surprised there is still any Delta around at all, since we all know the government follows this thread for advice.

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#2784430 26-Sep-2021 13:00

Public mood to me seems to be changing. I'm not saying the govt has lost support but I sense the tide is slowly changing towards the "what is the plan?" direction.

No doubt borders will open early next year no matter what because the govt will be under pressure to considering Aussies are doing so by Dec.

Hermit kingdom is a great description of us right now. We are not making the most of the advantage we've had.

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#2784436 26-Sep-2021 13:19

relating to booster

"NIH is completing a “mix and match trial” to determine the effects of administering initial doses and boosters from separate manufacturers"

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/23/covid-boosters-nih-director-collins-calls-israeli-data-impressive-.html

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#2784442 26-Sep-2021 13:27

heavenlywild: I think Ardern rolling out Hendy was a mistake and people are sick and tired of the same old fearmongering.

That was a huge PR mistake. Then you have Sir John Key coming in with some pragmatism which makes last Thursday's "stunt" look even worse.

If you're referring to the economist who works as a consultant to foreign banks and somehow managed to get his opinion published as a front page hit piece on Hendy, a highly qualified and awarded expert in his field, then I think you're dreaming.

You think Key's article is "pragmatic" - then you're delusional.

This thread is the place:

https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=184&topicid=289737

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