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#2797767 19-Oct-2021 18:39

Technofreak:

A scenario I talked about here, https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=161&topicid=265423&page_no=1906#2795350

Yep. Not great, but we all have a choice. The pity is that if AKL (and I dont mean ALL AKLders) had kept it in rough check, we can buy time, get as many vaccinated then after that its in God's hands (I can say that?)

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#2797772 19-Oct-2021 18:51

Spark may become one of the first large employers to require staff to be vaccinated against Covid where that is not required by the Government.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/126721905/spark-tells-staff-they-may-need-covid-jab-as-mediaworks-joins-early-movers

This may be the new normal. Ignoring all the usual bias from everyone, its a basic health and safety issue. Kmart AUS has this in NSW, including retail customers

Think Seat Belts.

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#2797789 19-Oct-2021 19:12

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/126723671/third-dose-of-covid19-vaccine-recommended-for-immunocompromised-people

Note :not booster

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#2797790 19-Oct-2021 19:22

rugrat:

wellygary:

Irrespective of whether you are vaxxed or not, if ICUs are full of covid patients and you have an unrelated heart attack, you are stuffed..

and so we return to the beginning

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/icu-overload-risks-thousands-more-nz-deaths-model

Agree. That’s why I get a bit rattled when I see words to the effect “let the majority of the vaccinated get back to their freedoms”, seem to be implying once vaccinated no problems with letting COVID spread.

it is already happening . up here the double vaxed think they are safe and have stopped complying

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#2797791 19-Oct-2021 19:24

tdgeek:

A millionaire has the same opportunity to get vaxxed as does anyone else. Im white but I have Maori and Islander relations. Locating a vaccine clinic is not an issue

I fundamentally disagree with this. While it's technically true that there is a vaccine available to anyone who wants to get one, there are significantly higher barriers to getting one parts of the population.

If you can't drive to a clinic but instead need to take a bus, this is significantly harder and will take significantly more time - time you may not have around work or family. I made the point earlier in this thread that it was easy for me to jump in my car, during my work day, and go down to my GP and get vaccinated. What probably took an hour door to door would have probably taken 2.5 if I had to do the same journey on public transport. And I have a flexible job where I could go during my work day without any issues. Many aren't in work situations where they can just head out for an hour at will.

Locating a vaccination clinic is also a challenge in parts of the country. If you live outside a city, you almost certainly are in for a reasonable drive - in some cases maybe 100km or more. Yes, the population density in places where there is less access to a local clinic is lower, but the point stands that not everyone has the same access.

For many people in New Zealand, it's required an order of magnitude more on their part to access a vaccine, and this undoubtably plays a significant part in why certain groups within the population have lower vaccination rates.

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#2797792 19-Oct-2021 19:26

GV27:

rugrat:

Agree. That’s why I get a bit rattled when I see words to the effect “let the majority of the vaccinated get back to their freedoms”, seem to be implying once vaccinated no problems with letting COVID spread.

Well what's the end-game with this then? To just be infinitely at L3 because the stragglers, idiots and wellness zealots consistently refuse to engage with the vaccination scheme, or comply with lockdown rules?

Offloading severe financial and social costs onto everyone else so that they can have the run of the place when a mess of their own making lands in their lap isn't sustainable either. So by default, you're going to have to accept that some of these idiots are going to get sick or worse, and it will be no one's fault but their own.

up here the unvaxed are not the problem . the double vaxed have been told they are safe , and they are now living at level, pre the bug

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#2797795 19-Oct-2021 19:35

ajobbins:

I fundamentally disagree with this. While it's technically true that there is a vaccine available to anyone who wants to get one, there are significantly higher barriers to getting one parts of the population.

If you can't drive to a clinic but instead need to take a bus, this is significantly harder and will take significantly more time - time you may not have around work or family. I made the point earlier in this thread that it was easy for me to jump in my car, during my work day, and go down to my GP and get vaccinated. What probably took an hour door to door would have probably taken 2.5 if I had to do the same journey on public transport. And I have a flexible job where I could go during my work day without any issues. Many aren't in work situations where they can just head out for an hour at will.

Locating a vaccination clinic is also a challenge in parts of the country. If you live outside a city, you almost certainly are in for a reasonable drive - in some cases maybe 100km or more. Yes, the population density in places where there is less access to a local clinic is lower, but the point stands that not everyone has the same access.

For many people in New Zealand, it's required an order of magnitude more on their part to access a vaccine, and this undoubtably plays a significant part in why certain groups within the population have lower vaccination rates.

I honestly don't agree with this.

If it was important to you, then you'd find a way to get vaccinated whether it took a 1hr round trip or 6hr round trip. These people are making choices and its a convenient excuse to use the "too hard" basket to cover up for can't be bothered.

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#2797797 19-Oct-2021 19:38

ajobbins:

I fundamentally disagree with this. While it's technically true that there is a vaccine available to anyone who wants to get one, there are significantly higher barriers to getting one parts of the population.

If you can't drive to a clinic but instead need to take a bus, this is significantly harder and will take significantly more time - time you may not have around work or family. I made the point earlier in this thread that it was easy for me to jump in my car, during my work day, and go down to my GP and get vaccinated. What probably took an hour door to door would have probably taken 2.5 if I had to do the same journey on public transport. And I have a flexible job where I could go during my work day without any issues. Many aren't in work situations where they can just head out for an hour at will.

Locating a vaccination clinic is also a challenge in parts of the country. If you live outside a city, you almost certainly are in for a reasonable drive - in some cases maybe 100km or more. Yes, the population density in places where there is less access to a local clinic is lower, but the point stands that not everyone has the same access.

For many people in New Zealand, it's required an order of magnitude more on their part to access a vaccine, and this undoubtably plays a significant part in why certain groups within the population have lower vaccination rates.

I get that (and I do) But for those in a position where its that difficult, surely a Doctor can advise? Maybe thats hard too, but in Auckland, it cannot be that hard. Arguably the rural areas may find it harder but they are probably physically safer?

My point is the exceptions are not the issue

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#2797798 19-Oct-2021 19:41

grizzz:

up here the unvaxed are not the problem . the double vaxed have been told they are safe , and they are now living at level, pre the bug

Thats actually the plan, given the vaxxed spread it less, and get sick 99% less. The cases you see are probably the unvaxxed, as like everywhere else, its an epidemic (not pandemic) of the unvaccinated. Some countries like the UK let loose and let the unvaccinated to the wolves.

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#2797799 19-Oct-2021 19:44

Anyone eligible that hasn't had one jab by now is being mischievous.

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#2797801 19-Oct-2021 19:47

Buster:

Anyone eligible that hasn't had one jab by now is being mischievous.

I agree. Not wanting to be harsh but thats true. Do these people have whanau and friends?

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#2797833 19-Oct-2021 20:14

New vaccine

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/oct/18/valneva-covid-vaccine-could-be-as-effective-as-oxford-jab-study-suggests

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#2797834 19-Oct-2021 20:17

Batman: https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/126723671/third-dose-of-covid19-vaccine-recommended-for-immunocompromised-people

Note :not booster

Yay me!

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#2797835 19-Oct-2021 20:17

Batman: New vaccine

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/oct/18/valneva-covid-vaccine-could-be-as-effective-as-oxford-jab-study-suggests

Note the "could be"

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#2797859 19-Oct-2021 21:13

tdgeek:

Batman: New vaccine

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/oct/18/valneva-covid-vaccine-could-be-as-effective-as-oxford-jab-study-suggests

Note the "could be"

More on this here. Its a bit historical written in May.
What’s the Valneva COVID-19 vaccine, the French shot that’s supposed to be ‘variant proof’?
https://theconversation.com/whats-the-valneva-covid-19-vaccine-the-french-shot-thats-supposed-to-be-variant-proof-160345
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A COVID-19 vaccine from French company Valneva has yet to complete clinical trials. But it has caught the eye of governments in the UK, Europe and Australia.
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VLA2001 isn’t the first inactivated vaccine against COVID-19. Leading COVID-19 inactivated vaccines, such as those developed by Sinopharm and Bharat Biotech, have been approved for use in China and received emergency approval in other countries, including India.
""

Trials get difficult now as so many have been infected or vaccinated, and people can get nervous waiting in a blinded trial.
Novavax had some leave the trial or let candidates unblind early in some of its trials I understand, as other vaccines progressed.

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