Coconut milk, guar gum and BPA free?

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#1377044 31-Aug-2015 13:25

TeaLeaf: paranoid food aversions haha, thats a new one. reminds me of that muppet mark on Peep Show, when he goes on about people being allergic to gluten and peanuts.

no im not paranoid about BPA, ive consumed enough hot water from plastic bottles for it not to worry me too much. but guar gum is something i definitely cant handle.

i have serious gut dysfunction, im more concerned with things that cause immediate reactions than the unknown. and i put BPA into the unknown category. although as an ecology hiker i use non BPA water canisters simply because plastic tastes like crap after a while.

I don't know what else to call it. We have a dear friend who stays with us for weeks on end with multiple food "issues". For example, she's lactose intolerant (probably) - but would a tiny trace of lactose in something be an issue? I suspect not, but it's not a subject up for discussion. It's surprising what you'll find a trace of lactose in if you read the labels. When she stays - we eat 100% paleo. Suits me - I get to pig out on meat, veges, and fat for weeks on end. Yum - with a clear conscience.

For gut health, you might be interested in this interview with Professor Peter Gibson from Monash, which was aired on RNZ earlier in the year:

http://podcast.radionz.co.nz/ntn/ntn-20150226-1005-why_is_gluten_a_food_villain-048.mp3

I thought at the introduction of the interview, that this was going to be the usual "expert - dispelling the myth of gluten intolerance". However, it's very interesting with regard to general gut health, "wellness", and other factors which perhaps don't get the media attention they deserve.

TeaLeaf

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#1377060 31-Aug-2015 13:59

i think even mainstream medicine is starting to understand the breakdown of mucosa in the stomach and what causes it.

for me it was drinking too much and eating junk, got heartburn, then a stupid doctor put me on a PPI and left me on it for 13 years instead of telling me to cut back on the booze and coffee and fatty simple carb foods.

the FDA are scrutinising the use of PPI medications now. the consensus is that as we age we LOSE stomach acid production. ive done all the at home tests to prove that is the case with me. my next step is a transmitter capsule down the throat to analyse the acid production. costly, but worth it.

the problem we have is doctors are in bed with pharms, and the other problem we have is that we dont let people who want to help people become doctors because of grades, instead we let people with good grades become doctors because their parents think its the golden ticket. along side that we have a crap public health system. along with GPs being pushed for time, 10 minute consults etc. I could go on.

Not saying there isnt a need for PPIs for like say ulcers, but when someone first comes to a doctor with slight esophagus pain, first thing the doc should ask is what do you eat and drink and look at all that fat you carrying.

The other problem is holistic doctors who are more functional cost an arm and a leg to see.

Then we have a system where it takes 18 months to see a gastro specialist when you have a history of esophageal scarring, in which time you may have already died of cancer. But hey, lets be reactive here not proactive lol.

Australias medical system poops all over ours. Sure you pay for it in your taxes or if above a certain tax bracket cheaper to have private health. But we meant to have public health in our tax here, well I dont know if thats what Id call it. Public wait until you are critically ill before seeing you tax. thats a better name.

I digress.

Coconut is a pretty good fat, it clearly needs balance as do any fats with omega 3s to combat inflammation. but generally its a pretty digestible source of fat and it tastes good.

MikeAqua

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#1377151 31-Aug-2015 15:07

PPI have also been associated with kidney problems. A pity as they are very effective.

Stomach ulcers that progress to cancer are usually associated with a specific bacteria, which there is a blood test for.

Mike

TeaLeaf

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Uber Geek

#1377178 31-Aug-2015 15:46

yeah HPylori.

i wish GPs had such a rational of looking up such information 15 years ago ;-p

could be worse, my mates not even able to walk.

ubergeeknz

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Vocus

#1377578 1-Sep-2015 10:15

Have a tin of "TPP" coconut milk at home, also free of guar gum.

TeaLeaf

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Uber Geek

#1377696 1-Sep-2015 12:32

yeah i read on a US site TPP is guar gum free, just get that at the super market?

ubergeeknz

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Vocus

#1377762 1-Sep-2015 13:34

TeaLeaf: yeah i read on a US site TPP is guar gum free, just get that at the super market?

Yep, New World I think. Ayam also at the supermarket. In either case you may have to try more than one supermarket to find what you're after.

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TeaLeaf

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#1377767 1-Sep-2015 13:47

yeah i looked on countdown site, they got ayam, but i think tpp is cheaper

blackjack17

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#1377861 1-Sep-2015 18:30

Pam coconut cream has stabilser 466 and emulsifier 435 neither of which appear to be guar gum

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Fred99

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#1377870 1-Sep-2015 19:22

Trident brand (inexpensive) contains 466 only (Sodium CMC), listed as "stabilser" but is a thickener.
435 is an emulsifier (polysorbate 60)

Some manufacturers clearly don't need to add emulsifier - because they don't.
My preference for "stabilser/thickener", if needed, would be carrageenan or xanthan gum. Probably the latter as it's kind of natural (from a 21st century perspective) and imparts a rheology which makes it extremely effective for use as a suspension agent at very low doses, rather than the slimy gooey appearance of CMC etc when enough is added to be effective. CMC and guar are very cheap. Carrageenan is quite expensive.

Of course, many people who'd fret over this stuff might also buy a so-called "natural" (because it had some industrial pulp extract from some berry that someone claimed was "healthy") ice-cream to eat on the way home from the supermarket - or feed them to their kids to shut them up - without even blinking.

TeaLeaf

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#1377875 1-Sep-2015 19:31

you get some that dont have anything in it but coconut and water. thats the preference. who really cares when you can just shake it up anyway. also the majority of the time its either stirred or blended so makes no difference to me. is just one of the few fats i can process. i really wish i could eat peanut butter, the quality thick stuff (not from the super market) mixed with a teaspoon of fresh country jam and a teaspoon of coconut oil solid. yum. of course i cant eat any of that :-(

anyone who frets over ice cream shouldnt be eating it in the first place. i dont think some people realise how lucky they are to shove rubbish in their gob and fret over it and get sucked into marketing and "health" dogma.

is that Pam as in Pams. Which super market sells Pams?

Fred99

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#1377880 1-Sep-2015 19:43

I'd suggest to avoid the Pam's (and others) with E466 (sodium carboxymethylcellulose) if you have gut issues. No scientific basis to this - even I don't really believe what I'm saying - but it's solubilised cellulose not dissimilar to wallpaper glue and some laxatives, and from the appearance of the separated liquid phase of the can contents (thick and slimy) there's probably quite a lot of it in there.
All of those thickeners tend to work by "binding water".

TeaLeaf

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#1377895 1-Sep-2015 20:39

Until you live it Fred its hard to really explain or argue to opinions. I just cut those people out of my life, not worth arguing when its reality.

When you are in a wheelchair and cant remember the name of a vegetable, you will get it :-)

blackjack17

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#1377919 1-Sep-2015 20:56

TeaLeaf: you get some that dont have anything in it but coconut and water. thats the preference. who really cares when you can just shake it up anyway. also the majority of the time its either stirred or blended so makes no difference to me. is just one of the few fats i can process. i really wish i could eat peanut butter, the quality thick stuff (not from the super market) mixed with a teaspoon of fresh country jam and a teaspoon of coconut oil solid. yum. of course i cant eat any of that :-(

anyone who frets over ice cream shouldnt be eating it in the first place. i dont think some people realise how lucky they are to shove rubbish in their gob and fret over it and get sucked into marketing and "health" dogma.

is that Pam as in Pams. Which super market sells Pams?

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#1385427 11-Sep-2015 09:36

but it's solubilised cellulose not dissimilar to wallpaper glue and some laxatives, and from the appearance of the separated liquid phase of the can contents (thick and slimy) there's probably quite a lot of it in there.
All of those thickeners tend to work by "binding water".

That's how the soluble fibre in your porridge works too though.

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