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#2808134 5-Nov-2021 16:31

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If we are happy to reduce restrictions in the bits of the waikato that are in alert level 3, step 2. Despite it having a whole bunch of transmission, and no enforced border, it is logical that we aren't too concerned about spreading the virus around the north island.

I don't think L2 in the East Waikato and the L3 Step 2 mean stuff all. I had to go to Hamilton on Wednesday for an appointment and the amount of traffic between Hamilton and Morrinsville was amazing and not a Police car to be seen. I wouldn't be surprised in hundreds of cars were breaching the boundary each day.

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#2808167 5-Nov-2021 17:28

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#2808183 5-Nov-2021 18:35

mattwnz:

Professor of Epidemiology Tony Blakely said on TVNZ news a few nights ago that measuring case numbers were still very important, including when it comes to estimating hospitisations and ICU . At the moment the virus is largely spreading in younger people, but when it hits more rest homes and other communities and more widespread it could become more of a problem. I heard yesterday that North Shore hospital was already full, which is a huge worry if correct because Auckland is in lockdown reducing the spread, and the official case numbers are still relatively low.

What do you suggest? The stats from the pressers seem less depressing. If you want to see depressing look at NSW and VIC, roughly similar populations. The issue is you need to balance health vs continual lockdowns. The latter becomes less effective as time goes on

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#2808184 5-Nov-2021 18:39

mattwnz:

Professor of Epidemiology Tony Blakely said on TVNZ news a few nights ago

Is he an expert?

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#2808185 5-Nov-2021 18:41

Scott3:

Friend has advised he was fully vaccinated.

Generally covid deniers don't get vaccinated, so cross that off the list.

I have a mate and work colleague who is as anti vax as there is. He is fully vaccinated "for me"

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#2808186 5-Nov-2021 18:48

JPNZ:

I wonder if thats the first covid death for a fully vaccinated person in NZ>?

When you say that it sounds dire. Overseas in highly vaccinated countries, most cases are vaccinated, as vaccinated are MOST of the population

Beware of statistics.

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#2808188 5-Nov-2021 19:01

Nicked from Stuff/Press Release.

COVID-19 has recently been detected in wastewater samples taken in Napier and Gisborne.

The wastewater sampling was carried out by ESR between 1 and 3 November, with results returned this afternoon. They could be due to recently recovered cases returning to the region from MIQ who are shedding the virus, transient visitors to the region, or could signal undetected cases in the community.

There are no MIQ facilities, or known COVID-19 cases self-isolating, in Napier or Gisborne. As standard procedure, ESR will carry out further samples in coming days with results expected early next week.

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#2808193 5-Nov-2021 19:13

Grain of salt, just wait for the facts. Might be what you suggest but its a great today news feed to get the clicks

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#2808194 5-Nov-2021 19:15

tdgeek:
mattwnz:

Professor of Epidemiology Tony Blakely said on TVNZ news a few nights ago

Is he an expert?

Yes. Have listened to him a lot over the last year and he makes a lot of sense.
Experts have said that people crossing the Auckland border should be vaccinated yet the government still aren't requiring this. Yet it will be a requirement at Christmas. It is like closing the barn door after the horse has already bolted. No wonder cases are popping up in other parts of NZ. Looks like the south island may have successfully eliminated it.

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#2808195 5-Nov-2021 19:16

That's directly from the MOH release.

The Ministry of Health says the samples could be from recovered cases returning to the region from MIQ, transient visitors to the region, or could signal undetected cases in the community.

There are no MIQ facilities, or known Covid-19 cases isolating, in Napier or Gisborne.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300447632/covid19-virus-detected-in-napier-and-gisborne-wastewater

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#2808197 5-Nov-2021 19:20

mattwnz:

Yes. Have listened to him a lot over the last year and he makes a lot of sense.
Experts have said that people crossing the Auckland border should be vaccinated yet the government still aren't requiring this. Yet it will be a requirement at Christmas. It is like closing the barn door after the horse has already bolted. No wonder cases are popping up in other parts of NZ. Looks like the south island may have successfully eliminated it.

I see experts that say open up now and others that say no way, so hard to know. What I do know is there is no easy fix. Open up and get blasted. Dont open up and get blasted. Depends who is health biased and who is business biased, then you have the AKLders doing it hard who are rightly biased. Whatever scenario occurs it will add cases, and it will thereby fail, and there is the next days news.

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#2808198 5-Nov-2021 19:22

mattwnz: Looks like the south island may have successfully eliminated it.

For now

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#2808201 5-Nov-2021 19:37

mattwnz:

Yes. Have listened to him a lot over the last year and he makes a lot of sense.
Experts have said that people crossing the Auckland border should be vaccinated yet the government still aren't requiring this. Yet it will be a requirement at Christmas. It is like closing the barn door after the horse has already bolted. No wonder cases are popping up in other parts of NZ. Looks like the south island may have successfully eliminated it.

Well, as I said, there are many experts from one extreme to the other, all qualified. All make sense, but they are at extremes

We need to get real. Do you want a health response, or a business response or a freedom response? You can't have it all. Its a case of the least worse response, but daily readings here tell me its easy, just do this or that. If the 90% and open ip scenario occurs, we are all equal. Mount Eden or Tuatapere (deep SI) are all equal. Or do we want to lock out case areas? Im not suggesting any scenario, but what I will suggest is that's its not easy. Which of the 3 options will you opt for?