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  #2821686 30-Nov-2021 13:40
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Big girl is watching.... "Red Light, Green Light"



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  #2821705 30-Nov-2021 14:05
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MikeB4:

If I go into an establishment that does not scan I will immediately walk out. If they don't care about customer safety I wont give them business.



Two other tests to do-
1. Print out your QR code and alter it so it will not read.
2. Claim you have no photo ID.

If the establishment let's you in anyway, in either case, then walk away.

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  #2821723 30-Nov-2021 14:32
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debo:

Two other tests to do-
1. Print out your QR code and alter it so it will not read.
2. Claim you have no photo ID.

If the establishment let's you in anyway, in either case, then walk away.

 

I was talking to a cafe owner here in Auckland on how they plan to handle the scanning in a practical way .

 

The comment was :

 

1) If they are regulars and known to the owners, check status once then no further checks for future visits

 

2) If the customer scans the QR code, and are compliant with masking and seating arrangments possibly check certificate but in a random manner

 

3) If the customer does not scan the QR code, and are not mask compliant then scan QR code before offering service.

 

 

 

I did let them scan my ID (printed and laminated) and worked OK. But it seems that scanning process is not quick (takes around 10 to 15 seconds to do with little feedback on status until done). I noticed the same with the scanning checker on my Samsung phone. This slowness of scanning may be an Achillies heal in the process.

 

 

 

 




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  #2821728 30-Nov-2021 14:42
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Reanalyse:

 

debo:

Two other tests to do-
1. Print out your QR code and alter it so it will not read.
2. Claim you have no photo ID.

If the establishment let's you in anyway, in either case, then walk away.

 

I was talking to a cafe owner here in Auckland on how they plan to handle the scanning in a practical way .

 

The comment was :

 

1) If they are regulars and known to the owners, check status once then no further checks for future visits

 

2) If the customer scans the QR code, and are compliant with masking and seating arrangments possibly check certificate but in a random manner

 

3) If the customer does not scan the QR code, and are not mask compliant then scan QR code before offering service.

 

 

 

I did let them scan my ID (printed and laminated) and worked OK. But it seems that scanning process is not quick (takes around 10 to 15 seconds to do with little feedback on status until done). I noticed the same with the scanning checker on my Samsung phone. This slowness of scanning may be an Achillies heal in the process.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Guess it will vary by device as the manager of a local hostelry is adopting a similar policy for regulars. Scanning my QR code was instantaneous.


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  #2821731 30-Nov-2021 14:44
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I installed the scanner just out of curiosity and it was 'instant' on my 4-year-old iPhone. It took longer to line up the code than it did to process the scan.


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  #2821769 30-Nov-2021 15:26
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Today's daily figure is remarkably low hey.

 

Quite stunning the impact of the Vaccine wall is having against Delta. We have been at this for a very long time, we have clearly outrun the first Delta wave, and with Omicron coming perhaps...well probably....we may end up the only country to see off Delta without any real discernible stress on the hospital system.

 

I don't want to let hubris get ahead of myself here, Aucklands population are about to flood the nation in the annual JAFA spawning run.

 

However, lets also bear in mind that there is no law against people continuing to join the Vaccine wall. We may yet outrun the Auckland migration too.

 

 





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  #2821774 30-Nov-2021 15:30
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sbiddle:

 

We were told the alert level system was no longer fit for purpose going forward which is something I do fully agree with. The replacement traffic light framework was purposely designed to replace it and to bring in an acceptance that we're living with the virus.

 

The problem now is the traffic light system seems to have been butchered before it's even been put in place. We also had many people (and media) still seem surprised nowhere was going to green, and that was fueled by the PM who hinted that reviews for green will be happening mid January. The problem is if you're to read the framework there is zero chance of going into green for a long time - I'd be surprised if we see green at any point within the next 4-6 months UNLESS we're going to continue to ignore the framework rules and just make things up as we go.

 

The big data dump on Friday and decisions we're seen in recent weeks really make me wonder who is calling the shots here.

 

We have a vaccine pass system that's a shambles before it even starts because they're not required to be checked, and now we have an entire framework that doesn't seem like it's going to be any better.

 

 

The media coverage was a bit strange.

 

It had been made clear that no where would be going to green, and that regions that were less than 90% fully vaccinated (with some pragmatism) would be going red).

 

Yet, the coverage was that of surprise that so many area's went into red (when it was heaps less area's than would have been expected).

 

 

 

Media did point out that for somebody holding a vaccine pass there is basically no difference between Orange and Green.

 

We are down to less than 350k eligible un vaccinated. In three weeks time, all the people with a first dose now, will be able to get their second if they want access to somwhere requiring a pass. Assuming there is no issue getting second doses, at that point under 7% of NZ's total population would be (personally) impacted by the difference between green and orange.


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  #2821782 30-Nov-2021 15:41
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Taiwan approves 2nd-dose BioNTech vaccinations for ages 12-17, 3rd dose for adults
Adults can receive 3rd dose of BioNTech, Moderna 6 months after 2nd dose
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4359429

 

The 2 week delay given constraints on supply has probably not been an issue given their program is somewhat stop start anyway.
Taiwan's main problem is securing supply of vaccines, because drug companies assigned rights to someone else.

 

They have their own 'protein subunit' type that has been used in Adults over a million doses.
Without the large trials that big pharma can do, and limited production capability mainstream vaccines still critical.
When they can get hold of them, so stop start vaccine efforts.

 

Still running zero local cases, just regular numbers at the border.
Pretty remarkable given the travel needed to support their technology industries. 

 

Necessary until they can get vaccination numbers up.


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  #2821788 30-Nov-2021 15:48
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Sup:

 

Today's daily figure is remarkably low hey.

 

Quite stunning the impact of the Vaccine wall is having against Delta. We have been at this for a very long time, we have clearly outrun the first Delta wave, and with Omicron coming perhaps...well probably....we may end up the only country to see off Delta without any real discernible stress on the hospital system.

 

I don't want to let hubris get ahead of myself here, Aucklands population are about to flood the nation in the annual JAFA spawning run.

 

However, lets also bear in mind that there is no law against people continuing to join the Vaccine wall. We may yet outrun the Auckland migration too.

 

 

 

 

Yeah, It's pretty incrediable.

 

It seems we have passed the peak in case numbers, and the reproduction number is now solidly below one.

 

Might be some seasonal impact on top of vaccination impact. Weather is now pritty warm.

 

And all this despite the likes of retail, schools etc opening in Auckland, and a general decline in rules compliance.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Obviously still to see how the virus spreads in other area's which are lesser vaccinated, and have lighter restrictions. (but also have lower population density than Auckland).

 

Good sign is that numbers in the Waikato aren't getting out of hand.

 

 


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  #2821797 30-Nov-2021 15:56
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It would be lovely if this Christmas was like last Christmas, ie, 0 case numbers in the community and everything was like at level 1, but given how easily Delta spreads, maybe that's more of a pipe dream.


 
 
 
 

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  #2821799 30-Nov-2021 15:58
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On the vaccinations side, first dose numbers are still holding up above 6,000 a day. Which is great.

 

Big rush on boosters yesterday, being the first day to officially get them. 21,431 booster doses yesterday.

 

Think there might be some kinds of statistics error on the third primary doses. - 1466 third primary doses yesterday seems too much given they have been available for weeks, and the total is only about 12k.

 

BOP and Taranaki very close to crossing the 90% first dose milestone. Once that happens, only 5 DHB's will remain below that milestone.

 


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  #2821807 30-Nov-2021 16:08
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Scott3:

 

Yeah, It's pretty incrediable.

 

It seems we have passed the peak in case numbers, and the reproduction number is now solidly below one.

 

Might be some seasonal impact on top of vaccination impact. Weather is now pritty warm.

 

And all this despite the likes of retail, schools etc opening in Auckland, and a general decline in rules compliance.

 

 

I wonder if (lack of) public transport is helping us here in NZ.  We're constantly being reminded of how poor our PT infrastructure is, in the context of climate change etc.  And yet, crowded buses and trains would seem an obvious spreading ground for COVID.  Maybe our entrenched private car culture is reducing the R number.


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  #2821811 30-Nov-2021 16:22
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Scott3:

 

 

 

Waiting to see them resolve the Huge Jump in 1st dose bookings...

 

We are now nearly 50,000 booked in and climbing , (despite the ample walkup capacity) .. I'm assuming they are 3rd dose bookings...


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  #2821812 30-Nov-2021 16:24
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This article reinforces my thoughts on why rural New Zealand lags behind in the the vaccination stats.

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/manawatu-top-stories/300465976/urbanrural-divide-realised-in-vaccination-numbers-says-federated-farmers 

 

  • Isolation

     

    • Lack of ready access to a local vaccination centre.
    • Lack of incentive as the virus isn't close by.

The vaccination roll out wasn't designed by people who relate to the lifestyle in the rural areas. There is no public transport and a lot of rural people go to town only once or twice a month or even less in some cases and if those days don't align with a vaccination centre being open then they don't get the chance to get vaccinated until the next time they're in town.





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