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#2423096 18-Feb-2020 12:01

previously healthy director of hospital succumbs to virus

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12309350

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#2423098 18-Feb-2020 12:07

Geektastic: NZ Tourism has received a modest $10 million budget increase to assist with campaigns to reduce the impact.

Did you forget the rest of your post? Is it modest? Ok, wasn't aware of that. If it runs out all campaigns will stop I guess...

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#2423103 18-Feb-2020 12:31

tdgeek:

Geektastic: NZ Tourism has received a modest $10 million budget increase to assist with campaigns to reduce the impact.

Did you forget the rest of your post? Is it modest? Ok, wasn't aware of that. If it runs out all campaigns will stop I guess...

It's an extra $10m for Tourism NZ to temporarily increase marketing of New Zealand as a destination to people in countries other than China - particularly Australia – which is NZ's largest overall market, long haul from the UK, which has been suffering for a while now, also the US and other parts of Asia such as Japan.

Tourism NZ's recent focus had been on China with predictions of a 10% yearly increase in Chinese tourism to NZ and China becoming as large a market as Australia by 2025..

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#2423104 18-Feb-2020 12:31

Batman:

previously healthy director of hospital succumbs to virus

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12309350

how do you know he wasnt a 2 pack a day smoker.

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#2423166 18-Feb-2020 13:30

Here's some interesting suppositions from the WHO

"“More than 80% of patients have mild disease and will recover, 14% have severe disease including pneumonia and shortness of breath, 5% have critical disease including respiratory failure, septic shock and multi-organ failure, and 2% of cases are fatal,” Tedros said in Geneva. “The risk of death increases the older you are.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/17/coronavirus-causes-mild-disease-in-four-in-five-patients-says-who

Not what you would call comforting to those stuck on cruise boats where the average age is significantly higher than the population as a whole,

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#2423172 18-Feb-2020 13:54

wellygary:

Here's some interesting suppositions from the WHO

Here's some case data from Chinese CDC advising WHO. It's a week old, so using collated data from the ~44,000 cases then:

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#2423173 18-Feb-2020 14:00

The ratio of male:female deaths, you could assume is related to smoking rates, ~>60% of males smoke, few females smoke.

The case fatality rate over time does not show what it superficially may appear to show. The disease may take many weeks to kill after infection - but also probably many undiagnosed cases in the early stages may have meant the numbers have a bias to include relatively more serious cases. It's still a guessing game.

That data could be suggesting that you look for an indication of the real mortality rate by monitoring case outcomes a month after onset of symptoms. Case fatality rate and mortality rate are not the same thing.

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#2423348 18-Feb-2020 16:54

I wonder if the COVID-19 virus will have an increased infection rate in the US, because the poor don't have health insurance. 45% of U.S. adults are concerned that a major health event could lead to bankruptcy

24X7 Wallstreet: Americans borrowed NZ $137 billion for health care last year

Health care costs in the United States are generally measured as the highest in the world. Last year, many Americans could not afford their health care costs and so borrowed NZ $137 billion to pay for that portion they could not afford.

According to a new West Health and Gallup poll, in a new report titled “The U.S. Healthcare Cost Crisis,” the NZ $137 billion was borrowed in the year ...

Gallup reported that among the 36 OECD nation members, the United States had the highest health care costs in 2017. The total was NZ $5.7 trillion nationwide, which translates to NZ $16,750 per person.

AARP: More Older Americans Lack Health Insurance

"Loss of Medicaid behind decrease in coverage, Census Bureau data shows"

GoFundMe and a broken US healthcare system

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#2423427 18-Feb-2020 19:07

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/119590901/nz-post-can-no-longer-deliver-mail-to-china-as-airlines-halt-cargo-flights

So no AliExpress right?

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#2423460 18-Feb-2020 19:49

Regarding NZ Post, broadly it's an unusually bad sign when force majeure comes into effect.

You're almost never going to see a force majeure clause in a lease. Quite the opposite: it's usually a "hell or high water" clause for us mere commonfolk.

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#2423497 18-Feb-2020 21:11

kingdragonfly: Regarding NZ Post, broadly it's an unusually bad sign when force majeure comes into effect.

You're almost never going to see a force majeure clause in a lease. Quite the opposite: it's usually a "hell or high water" clause for us mere commonfolk.

Shippers declared one for cargo heading to and from Wellington after the Kaikoura Earthquake

http://www.brint.co.nz/news/force-majeure-declaration-due-to-earthquake-at-wellington-port-new-zealand/

Its essentially when you are un able to fulfil contractual obligations due to an event that is unforeseeable/predictable or controllable by one party

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#2423771 19-Feb-2020 09:37

The Christchurch Chinese Consulate is dramatically quit this week!

Probably less than 10% of "normal" visitors for Visas!

Also since last week I have yet to see anyone wearing a mask!

2 weeks ago almost every visitor was wearing one!

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#2423774 19-Feb-2020 09:41

msukiwi:

The Christchurch Chinese Consulate is dramatically quit this week!

Probably less than 10% of "normal" visitors for Visas!

Also since last week I have yet to see anyone wearing a mask!

2 weeks ago almost every visitor was wearing one!

Yeah. all the restaurants are quiet too, most of the Chinese wont go. Despite the outbreak in Japan, and the many that are part of that outbreak but don't know it yet, no travel restrictions.

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#2423776 19-Feb-2020 09:43

There's always one as*hole:

https://komonews.com/news/local/man-stranded-on-coronavirus-infected-cruise-ship-arrives-at-sea-tac-airport

"SEA-TAC AIRPORT, Wash. -- An Oregon comedian who had been stranded on a Holland America cruise ship in Cambodia due to COVID-19 virus concerns managed to get a flight back home by breaking quarantine in a hotel where ship's passengers were being held pending test results.

Frank King arrived at Sea-Tac Airport Monday afternoon on his way home to Eugene. He was a performer on the M/S Westerdam when their two-week cruise turned into quite the saga after a former passenger tested positive for the virus."

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#2423778 19-Feb-2020 09:47

Yep. My mate has to quarantine as his gf is returning, but he tells me its pointless, as others wont self quarantine so why bother.

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