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mattwnz
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  #2546668 21-Aug-2020 01:05
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MikeB4:

 

Politicians need to wake up and realise they know jack about managing this virus and let the professionals do their jobs.The public need to realise we know jack about managing this virus and let the professionals do their jobs.

 

 

 

 

I have had concerns for months on here about the border and compliance, and the very low amount of testing being done based on the reported numbers. Unfortunately what I feared has come true, and the shortcomings are being highlighted. I do wonder if our media shouldn't have picked up some of these things earlier. People said we were doing our best and that they aren't prisons, and there is no covid in the community so not to worry about wearing masks or testing people around the border, as we have to trust that everyone is doing things properly. But they are quarantine facilities on the border, and they need to be run as such, with proper military border control.Only now are we moving to this.




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  #2546724 21-Aug-2020 07:12
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Given the dubious performance of some of the professionals we should be grateful to have reasonable oversight. After all the professionals didn't bother to test Thelma and Fluese before releasing them, test most of the people working at the border, bother to read the law before lockdown, read the law around considering compassionate release, have any form of testing at the border or tell the truth about what they were doing.

There is desperate need for proper oversight and supervision of the professionals as well as an opposition asking all sorts of difficult questions the government doesn't want to answer. That's how our system of government is designed to work and without it an even bigger disaster will happen.

 

 

 

Those are not the professionals I mean. 


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  #2546732 21-Aug-2020 07:42
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@concordnz: Other countries are requiring Tests before flying.


It's a perfectly acceptable strategy.


If we can reduce the number of infected coming into the country - we significantly reduce the border risk & protect our people & economy.



Then what? If a New Zealand citizen test positive would you prevent the person from boarding? Would you leave the citizen stranded on the other side? Because that's what National wants to do.


And what if a person is tested three days before flying? Would the policy still require a 14 day quarantine even with a negative test?


Did they think the whole thing through?



Apsolutely an infected, virus shedding person should be prevented from flying/boarding (they should be quarantined/isolated overseas immediately - or we have learned nothing!)

- the last thing the world needs is knowingly infected people flying for 18hrs on a petri-tube infecting others. (Don't fall for the silly propaganda of AirNZ about 'filters' - it has to pass through many many passengers before it gets to the air intake).

People are not 'stranded' they are required to wait till they are clear of a deadly, easily spread disease before they fly in an enclosed space with 100's of other people.

I have suggested a shortened 7-10 day quarantine for all 'pretested' passengers - (being National - thats probably what they would do - to reduce quarantine costs) but there is nothing 'wrong' with maintaining a 14 day quarantine, if it adds further protection and reduces risk in a 'material' way.(that's where medical expertise vrs cost/people whining give a cost/reward to maintaining the 14 days or shortening it.

P.s. People can't fly when they are xx Months pregnant - this doesn't mean they are 'stranded' or stateless - it simply means they are not in a condition to fly (same as a Covid infected person - and same applys - they both have to wait till the 'condition' clears - then they are allowed to fly. - Covid is not 'unique' - we already restrict people from boarding plane's for various conditions/reasons - (also if you are drunk - you are refused flying till 'that' condition clears'



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  #2546733 21-Aug-2020 07:44
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mattwnz:

 

MikeB4:

 

Politicians need to wake up and realise they know jack about managing this virus and let the professionals do their jobs.The public need to realise we know jack about managing this virus and let the professionals do their jobs.

 

 

I have had concerns for months on here about the border and compliance, and the very low amount of testing being done based on the reported numbers. Unfortunately what I feared has come true, and the shortcomings are being highlighted. I do wonder if our media shouldn't have picked up some of these things earlier. People said we were doing our best and that they aren't prisons, and there is no covid in the community so not to worry about wearing masks or testing people around the border, as we have to trust that everyone is doing things properly. But they are quarantine facilities on the border, and they need to be run as such, with proper military border control.Only now are we moving to this.

 

 

Bizarrely we did this, initially, with the plane of people from Wuhan in February. Since then it has been so relaxed to the point where people weren't even being tested before leaving isolation. Only now are we getting back to what was supposedly a reasonable response in February.

 

Update today on how things are tracking. The Americold Cluster seems like it's running out of steam, but the mystery St Lukes infection is apparently cause for concern. Still, I'm impressed they've gone back to this one given it was initially assumed to be part of the cluster - it shows they're being thorough and not just taking 'good enough' as an answer. What worries me about it is what they'll find, or what they may find in a week's time.   


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  #2546739 21-Aug-2020 08:00
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mattwnz:


MikeB4:


Politicians need to wake up and realise they know jack about managing this virus and let the professionals do their jobs.The public need to realise we know jack about managing this virus and let the professionals do their jobs.



 


I have had concerns for months on here about the border and compliance, and the very low amount of testing being done based on the reported numbers. Unfortunately what I feared has come true, and the shortcomings are being highlighted. I do wonder if our media shouldn't have picked up some of these things earlier. People said we were doing our best and that they aren't prisons, and there is no covid in the community so not to worry about wearing masks or testing people around the border, as we have to trust that everyone is doing things properly. But they are quarantine facilities on the border, and they need to be run as such, with proper military border control.Only now are we moving to this.



She'll be right until she's not - something about horse and door ... and then get lucky ... rinse repeat ... I hope this isn't the time our luck runs out. Following the 'shopping mall' case ...



again, not bashing one govt and praising another, all politicians probably make the same mistakes as hinted above. I'm just calling it as i see it. Sometimes the truth hurts and it's not because I'm a bad person.

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  #2546744 21-Aug-2020 08:18
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Watching the news, we have one covid case scattered in every other hospital. Is it better to put them all in one hospital?

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  #2546749 21-Aug-2020 08:24
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concordnz:

 

Apsolutely an infected, virus shedding person should be prevented from flying/boarding (they should be quarantined/isolated overseas immediately - or we have learned nothing!)

- the last thing the world needs is knowingly infected people flying for 18hrs on a petri-tube infecting others. (Don't fall for the silly propaganda of AirNZ about 'filters' - it has to pass through many many passengers before it gets to the air intake).

People are not 'stranded' they are required to wait till they are clear of a deadly, easily spread disease before they fly in an enclosed space with 100's of other people.

I have suggested a shortened 7-10 day quarantine for all 'pretested' passengers - (being National - thats probably what they would do - to reduce quarantine costs) but there is nothing 'wrong' with maintaining a 14 day quarantine, if it adds further protection and reduces risk in a 'material' way.(that's where medical expertise vrs cost/people whining give a cost/reward to maintaining the 14 days or shortening it.

P.s. People can't fly when they are xx Months pregnant - this doesn't mean they are 'stranded' or stateless - it simply means they are not in a condition to fly (same as a Covid infected person - and same applys - they both have to wait till the 'condition' clears - then they are allowed to fly. - Covid is not 'unique' - we already restrict people from boarding plane's for various conditions/reasons - (also if you are drunk - you are refused flying till 'that' condition clears'

 

 

Agreed an infected person shouldn't fly. No questions about that. But testing three days before flying doesn't guarantee someone will not be infected the moment they walk out of the testing area and develop symptoms the day after they arrive -  managed isolation should still be mandatory to everyone coming into the country to capture these cases.

 

Also it wouldn't be too far fetched to think some less reliable countries could have a black market in "health certificates" and people could buy fake testing results.

 

concordnz:

 

P.s. People can't fly when they are xx Months pregnant - this doesn't mean they are 'stranded' or stateless - it simply means they are not in a condition to fly (same as a Covid infected person - and same applys - they both have to wait till the 'condition' clears - then they are allowed to fly. - Covid is not 'unique' - we already restrict people from boarding plane's for various conditions/reasons - (also if you are drunk - you are refused flying till 'that' condition clears'

 

 

Yes, women can't fly when they are past some point in the pregnancy. The difference is that pregnancies have specific timelines (most of the times) so women and their partners can plan travels for before that point (unless it's an emergency in which case they would be heading to a hospital instead of the airport anyway).

 

 

 

 





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  #2546761 21-Aug-2020 08:29
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"Sweden records highest death tally in 150 years in first half of 2020"

 

 

Sweden recorded its highest death tally in 150 years for the first half of 2020, according to the country's official statistics office.

 

Between January and June this year, 51,405 deaths were registered -- more than 6,500 fatalities (or 15%) over the same period in 2019.

 

This is the highest number of deaths in Sweden during the first half of the year since 1869, when the country was struck by famine and 55,431 people died.

 

 

 





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  #2546764 21-Aug-2020 08:34
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Batman:

 

meanwhile according to this 3/4 Kiwi would take vaccine for covid https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/three-quarters-kiwis-want-covid-vaccine-study

 

 

That might be enough if the vaccine has good efficacy.

 

Probably still leave the virus in circulation though - and it could easily be the case that those at most risk from the disease would also be the ones with the lowest immune response from a vaccine.

 

 


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  #2546769 21-Aug-2020 08:45
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just a thought. if we can go back to covid eliminated/free ...

 

we can host the entire world's sports.

 

entourage come here, quarantine for a month, and then 

 

- olympic games

 

- world cup

 

- whatever sport

 

infrastructure inadequate however ... might have to import a stadium or two from China ...


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  #2546776 21-Aug-2020 08:49
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[I have suggested a shortened 7-10 day quarantine for all 'pretested' passengers - (being National - thats probably what they would do - to reduce quarantine costs)

 

 

 

Don't see how this would reduce costs. The number of bed nights would remain a constant.


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  #2546799 21-Aug-2020 08:59
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concordnz:

 

[I have suggested a shortened 7-10 day quarantine for all 'pretested' passengers - (being National - thats probably what they would do - to reduce quarantine costs)

 

 

 

Don't see how this would reduce costs. The number of bed nights would remain a constant.

 

 

can always get covid anytime after the test is done.


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  #2546802 21-Aug-2020 09:03
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Batman:

 

just a thought. if we can go back to covid eliminated/free ...

 

we can host the entire world's sports.

 

entourage come here, quarantine for a month, and then 

 

- olympic games

 

- world cup

 

- whatever sport

 

infrastructure inadequate however ... might have to import a stadium or two from China ...

 

 

If we could figure out how to host street races in our major cities we could have had most of the major motorsport world championships in this country. 


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  #2546806 21-Aug-2020 09:08
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"Early Findings from Fitbit COVID-19 Study Suggest Fitbit Devices Can Identify Signs of Disease at Its Earliest Stages"

 

Interesting - this is something I have been doing for a while. I keep checking heart rate fluctuations and O2 levels with my Huawei watch - anything lower than 94% and I would be worried. I guess Fitbit just automated the process with their data.





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