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#2548091 23-Aug-2020 12:15

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@PhantomNVD: Sorry but just because they’re not idiots that will join a mass March doesn’t mean the whole country supports this current government strategy... I know of many Facebook pages that have large followings set up precisely to harangue the current strategy and they certainly DON’T support the (well meaning but misguided) strategy this govenment continues to impose.

I live 8kms from my workplace and they put a ‘border’ in between?

TLDR: NOT everyone is behind this current government strategy, but we’re also still law abiding and not stupid enough to ‘March’ in this time

What course of action would you suggest?

The previous level 4 lock down and level 3 lock down were far less disruptive in many ways than the current Level 3/Level 2 lock down. Those that needed to travel for work could do so without the significant delays we are currently seeing. Thats's assuming you can get an exemption within a practical time frame to start with.

Last time in Level 4 and Level 3 I could drive to work in the normal time frame and all I needed as an essential worker letter from my employer, not the process that is currently in use where an application has to be made, which takes several days to be processed and in many cases is denied. I haven't been called to work yet this time but from what I hear it will take me over 3 hours to get to work.

Last time under level 2 my company could function almost normally. This time it appears under level 2 they will not be able to operate at all.

All in all from my perspective this latest lock down has had a much more severe impact than the the first one.

For people living well away from border area, life goes on pretty well as normal, for those living/working across the border life is significantly worse than last time.

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#2548095 23-Aug-2020 12:23

@Technofreak:

The previous level 4 lock down and level 3 lock down were far less disruptive in many ways than the current Level 3/Level 2 lock down. Those that needed to travel for work could do so without the significant delays we are currently seeing. Thats's assuming you can get an exemption within a practical time frame to start with.

Last time in Level 4 and Level 3 I could drive to work in the normal time frame and all I needed as an essential worker letter from my employer, not the process that is currently in use where an application has to be made, which takes several days to be processed and in many cases is denied. I haven't been called to work yet this time but from what I hear it will take me over 3 hours to get to work.

Last time under level 2 my company could function almost normally. This time it appears under level 2 they will not be able to operate at all.

All in all from my perspective this latest lock down has had a much more severe impact than the the first one.

For people living well away from border area, life goes on pretty well as normal, for those living/working across the border life is significantly worse than last time.

Thanks. This explains the pain. But what are the suggestions to fix this?

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#2548112 23-Aug-2020 12:48

I have the government's Covid-19 tracking app on my phone and I do use it when out and about.

But my phone also has Google Maps timeline enabled...and it also tracks my movements and how long I stay somewhere.....and has done for several years. This has been very useful for me when trying to work out where and when I did something I'm trying to remember. :-)

It seems to be more accurate than the Covid-19 app in so far as Timeline records duration - arrival and departure - where as the govt app only records arrival (as far as I know......unless it's also recording my movements. I haven't checked the permissions).

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#2548113 23-Aug-2020 12:49

Technofreak:
Last time under level 2 my company could function almost normally. This time it appears under level 2 they will not be able to operate at all.

I don't understand this. The company I work for is functioning almost normally now under level 2. The exception is the branches in Auckland. I assume that your company is located just outside Auckland and does most of its business with customers inside Auckland. So it's the travel restrictions and checkpoints that are the problem, not the level 2 per se?

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#2548185 23-Aug-2020 13:38

PhantomNVD:

The current ridiculous internal ‘border’ cutting the Franklin county in half simply because ‘Auckland’ has an outbreak is exactly the kind of reasoning we are irritated with the heavy handed approach that is being taken now.
I live 8kms from my workplace and they put a ‘border’ in between?
All of Onewhero, Pokeno and Tuakau depend on Pukekohe (10 mins drive) for their shopping and supplies and they put the border in between!
Many ‘Waikato’ residents are now IN the bubble because one side of the road is “Auckland” (after the last random rates grab) and the other half ‘Waikato’

Don't blame the current government for this, it is actually Rodney "Super City" Hyde's fault!

The public servants advising the current government had probably only minutes, at most a couple of hours, to decide where to put the "Level 3" limits, and I expect that they chose the Territorial Local Authority boundaries because they were well known and easily explainable to those in authority.
The fact that these boundaries are nonsensical from the point of view of social geography is neither here nor there: they are what there is.

The more important issue is what to do about it in the confident expectation that this won't be the last time there are regional Covid lockdowns?

You could try to get the Auckland City boundaries changed. Fat chance of that, frankly, it's much too hard politically; or
You could contact the Minister of Health [mailto:c.hipkins@ministers.govt.nz], your local MP and your local body politicians making suggestions that a plan be made for future outbreaks with more convenient regional boundaries [I actually hope this is happening anyway] AND encourage other people in your circle of influence to do the same

Good luck with this, I think it's actually something worth doing

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#2548210 23-Aug-2020 14:49

@PolicyGuy @PhantomNVD

Just a reminder the virus doesn't care about our convenience or societal practices.

We're so used to thinking about things in term of human systems and pleading exemptions and exceptions it's a real shock to many to face a threat that doesn't give exemptions or make exceptions.

If there is a containment area they shouldn't be letting anyone in or out unless absolutely essential. That only 5% or 10% aren't being allowed in or out is a bit pathetic. I've been expecting the virus to spread outside of Auckland if we carry on behaving like that. Those 50,000 vehicles / day make excellent carriers.

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#2548226 23-Aug-2020 15:20

Linuxluver: @PolicyGuy @PhantomNVD

Just a reminder the virus doesn't care about our convenience or societal practices.

We're so used to thinking about things in term of human systems and pleading exemptions and exceptions it's a real shock to many to face a threat that doesn't give exemptions or make exceptions.

If there is a containment area they shouldn't be letting anyone in or out unless absolutely essential. That only 5% or 10% aren't being allowed in or out is a bit pathetic. I've been expecting the virus to spread outside of Auckland if we carry on behaving like that. Those 50,000 vehicles / day make excellent carriers.

Absolutely.
I hope they redraw boundaries for Covid confinement regions so as to minimise the need for exemptions and cross-boundary traffic.

As I said in the previous post, I expect that the decision to make the current Level 3 boundaries the same as the Auckland City Council boundaries was purely urgency-driven - "Where are we going to put the boundaries? The Minister wants an answer now, the PM's press conference is in fifty-five minutes and she needs to have this written into her speech. Stop dithering Smithers, the Minister needs an answer Right Now!"

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#2548227 23-Aug-2020 15:28

Understand the pain over the Auckland supersilly, blame the Yellowjackets HiDeHo.
Many in the North, West and East would also have been quite happy for Heart of City to pay its own bills I expect.

In the South Pukekohe had facilities built to support whole Franklin area and then Auckland appropriated it all.
While later Buckland ,Tuakau, Pokeno, etc were starting to be sold as the new Auckland commuter suburbs.
Some comedians even suggested Huntly.

When lockdown by, suburb, street suggested by some, well Melbourne found postcode lockdown problematic in practice.
In other countries everyone has ID cards linked to address of normal abode, CCTV everywhere they do this more easily.

Solution seems to have been a bit sledgehammer like. Separating people from their local medical and essential supplies.

I can see that a system of allowing a porous border for adjacent towns that depend on facilities for their lifeline.
So you have a number-plate registered to address in next township and you get waved through, or stopped if you have not to present a water or rates bill for your address etc.

You can save the present restriction for address in Auckland who want to go out, they apply for special permission.

Portable number plate scanners would make this a fast process.
I think the Police actually had some vans with this setup for alcohol checkpoints, so could be repurposed.

Under level 3 remind people they can't take long trips to other side of town, and they might have a very big problem if they are seen further than the next major town, Pukekohe, or Papakura in this case.

Tricky point would be that you can't then easily restrict people who are in this group from taking advantage of level 2 in their area to travel far and wide in the level 2 zone, so that is an extra risk , but maybe a small one given limited numbers.
If a cluster expands closer to border then people would understand exemption being revoked totally in that case.

Hello Huntly all is forgiven.

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#2548230 23-Aug-2020 15:34

Linuxluver:

I have the government's Covid-19 tracking app on my phone and I do use it when out and about.

But my phone also has Google Maps timeline enabled...and it also tracks my movements and how long I stay somewhere.....and has done for several years. This has been very useful for me when trying to work out where and when I did something I'm trying to remember. :-)

It seems to be more accurate than the Covid-19 app in so far as Timeline records duration - arrival and departure - where as the govt app only records arrival (as far as I know......unless it's also recording my movements. I haven't checked the permissions).

And how do you easily share / upload you google map information to the contact tracing team if required?

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#2548239 23-Aug-2020 15:47

Amid the gloom, lets not forget NZ is a great place- especially noticeable in the response to a Twitter comment

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12358781

The quote in all that to resonate with me was "Rugby is our national game, but our national pastime is taking the piss"

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#2548246 23-Aug-2020 16:43

Covid fatigue https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/122536512/coronavirus-aucklanders-crowd-skate-parks-basketball-courts-ignoring-level-3-rules

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#2548284 23-Aug-2020 17:30

Reanalyse:

Amid the gloom, lets not forget NZ is a great place- especially noticeable in the response to a Twitter comment

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12358781

The quote in all that to resonate with me was "Rugby is our national game, but our national pastime is taking the piss"

There seems to be jealousy in the overseas media, and wanting to pull NZ down after seeing us living a normal life, with some really bad and incorrect articles, and trying to explain why NZ should just try to live with Covid in the community. I read one where it said the rest of Europe are now going on holiday while NZ goes into lockdown. But NZers have been going on holiday throughout NZ for months, and if we eliminate it , we will be able to do this again in weeks / a month. It is only one city that is actually under 'lockdown' the rest of NZ is living a life that is less restrictive than COVID countries. They seem to be wanting NZ to join the restrictive misery of much of the rest of the world. People should look at what New Yoprik is like today in a Covid environment, watch Louis Rossmanns ride through videos, New York is dead.

I understand that NZs health system simply wouldn't cope with widespread Covid in NZ, so elimination is our best way of managing it, especially when we can get onto it relatively early, so elimination is a strong possibility, as long as people follow the rules, but there are more flouters now. Much of the rest of the world (eg Europe, US) were too late to eliminate it, because they didn't respond quick enough, and too many people probably wouldn't comply either, which is one problem Australia has too.

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#2548349 23-Aug-2020 18:03

Linuxluver:

I have the government's Covid-19 tracking app on my phone and I do use it when out and about.

But my phone also has Google Maps timeline enabled...and it also tracks my movements and how long I stay somewhere.....and has done for several years. This has been very useful for me when trying to work out where and when I did something I'm trying to remember. :-)

It seems to be more accurate than the Covid-19 app in so far as Timeline records duration - arrival and departure - where as the govt app only records arrival (as far as I know......unless it's also recording my movements. I haven't checked the permissions).

I went out today, and the bloody app had logged me out again. So frustrating. It seems to do this each time there is an app update, which isn't normal for an app to log the person out after each app update. Some reason my password manager, Samsugs built in one, also fails to save the login details, so couldn't relog back in. IMO this is potentially going to stop people using it. I don;t really know why there can't be a mode that will still allow scanning when logged out.

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#2548364 23-Aug-2020 18:41

PolicyGuy:

I hope they redraw boundaries for Covid confinement regions so as to minimise the need for exemptions and cross-boundary traffic.

How can you do that? If you do, you upset Jan and Dave, or Bill and Olive. No matter what, you upset someone, then its front page news

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#2548365 23-Aug-2020 18:43

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Covid fatigue https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/122536512/coronavirus-aucklanders-crowd-skate-parks-basketball-courts-ignoring-level-3-rules

Yep. And when levels stay in place or increase then the same ones will whine. And the ones that payed by the rules, suffer

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