2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2549834 26-Aug-2020 09:57

One of the issues I see in regards covid-19 compliance and wanting all sorts of restrictions lifted is a passive attitude which is that getting the virus only occurs to others

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#2549858 26-Aug-2020 10:39

mattwnz:

I think the government needs some form of anonymity with the test, so there is no risk for these overstayers when they get a test.

We don't want anonymity with testing... we need to know exactly which person tested positive. I understand the issue with overstayers and others who are wanting to evade the authorities for whatever reason. I guess the answer is that their details not be shared between the DHB and other government entities.

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#2549859 26-Aug-2020 10:40

DS248:
Good news

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-25/wa-loses-bid-for-fresh-trial-in-clive-palmer-hard-border-battle/12592524

"The Western Australian Government is claiming a "comprehensive victory" in a key legal battle with mining billionaire Clive Palmer, after the Federal Court ruled the state's border closure was more effective in preventing the spread of COVID-19 than any other measure."

Even before I saw mining billionaire Clive Palmer's photograph, I had a good mental picture of him: a bloated old pale man, with a mouth that looks like a bigmouth bass about to swallow a hook.

My mental picture was completely correct.

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#2549866 26-Aug-2020 10:49

Two further cases of confirmed reinfection

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2020/08/coronavirus-two-european-patients-re-infected-concern-raised-about-covid-19-immunity.html

Likely just the tip of the iceberg though. I have seen cases in HK & Taiwanese etc data where people who earlier had & recovered from covid-19 (negative test) have later been picked up as positive again (mostly at the border). But I do not know if genomic tests were done in those cases. Not mentioned in the case reports, which of course are generally published on the day or day after the infection was detected so more detailed investigation results not available at that time.

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#2549879 26-Aug-2020 11:11

DS248:

Two further cases of confirmed reinfection

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2020/08/coronavirus-two-european-patients-re-infected-concern-raised-about-covid-19-immunity.html

Likely just the tip of the iceberg though. I have seen cases in HK & Taiwanese etc data where people who earlier had & recovered from covid-19 (negative test) have later been picked up as positive again (mostly at the border). But I do not know if genomic tests were done in those cases. Not mentioned in the case reports, which of course are generally published on the day or day after the infection was detected so more detailed investigation results not available at that time.

What some experts in the media have said is nothing to see here, its normal.

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#2549885 26-Aug-2020 11:18

Usain Bolt has it.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/olympics/300090329/usain-bolt-quarantines-while-awaiting-covid19-test-result-after-birthday-party

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#2549887 26-Aug-2020 11:20

Batman:

Usain Bolt has it.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/olympics/300090329/usain-bolt-quarantines-while-awaiting-covid19-test-result-after-birthday-party

Which is sad because if it has long term effects on lungs and heart as seen in other people, he won't be the fastest man on Earth anymore.

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#2549898 26-Aug-2020 11:33

DS248:

Likely just the tip of the iceberg though.

Well especially if those with a second (but distinct) infection don't show any or only very mild symptoms. It could be far worse - like dengue - where a second infection can be far worse than the first.

Maybe it'll be more like influenza, where maybe there's partial cross-immunity from having had closely related diseases in the past. Infecting populations with colds and flu during the colonial era wreaked havoc on people who'd had no previous exposure to those "seasonal" mild diseases - as did people in Europe

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#2549964 26-Aug-2020 12:18

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#2549965 26-Aug-2020 12:24

freitasm:

More information...

"The devastating Black Death that swept through England in the 14th century first entered the country at what is now Weymouth, as Mark Burrows recounts"

Wow, Mark Burrows must be really old!

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#2550004 26-Aug-2020 13:47

DS248:

Two further cases of confirmed reinfection

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2020/08/coronavirus-two-european-patients-re-infected-concern-raised-about-covid-19-immunity.html

Likely just the tip of the iceberg though. ....

Which basically means we'll have to just live with it .
"The first is that it suggests that previous infection is not protective," he said. "The second is that it raises the possibility that vaccinations may not provide the hope that we have been waiting for."

https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/more-evidence-suggests-no-long-term-covid-19-immun
"Blood tests taken from more than 90 patients and healthcare workers during the study period revealed that while 60% of people were able to mount a ‘potent’ antibody response to the virus, only 17% retained the same potency three months later."

And then a quick google can find claims that totally contradict this . So who knows .

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#2550009 26-Aug-2020 13:59

Just had a chat to an old acquaintance - his fit and strong brother got covid in March and is still suffering lung and heart problems.

In case you were wondering why we don't just let ourselves all get infected so we can get back to normal - it might not work out so well for you or someone you love.

Most of the posters in this thread are just like chimpanzees on MDMA, full of feelings of bonhomie, joy, and optimism. Fred99 8/4/21

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#2550034 26-Aug-2020 14:41

1101: Which basically means we'll have to just live with it .

Not necessarily. If I understand correctly, COVID has some similarity to the flu.

Where we have a yearly flu vaccine, we may need add to it a COVID component, for some protection against both.

I'm not an expert, but I am hopeful.I'm sure if I'm off-base, I'll hear about it soon :)

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#2550127 26-Aug-2020 16:09

kingdragonfly:
1101: Which basically means we'll have to just live with it .

Not necessarily. If I understand correctly, COVID has some similarity to the flu.

Where we have a yearly flu vaccine, we may need add to it a COVID component, for some protection against both.

We may actually need a 3monthly vax booster shoot , in order to keep the immunity/protection as that doesnt seem to last (as was predicted by some experts)
But , no one really knows at this stage .

And may need new vax's as it slowly mutates .

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#2550188 26-Aug-2020 17:04

The latest 5 case sub-cluster at "Mt Roskill Evangelical Fellowship" has me a bit nervous. The "Evangelical" label IMO correlates rather too closely with reliance on faith over science, "prosperity theology" etc.

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