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#206026 7-Dec-2016 10:12

Finally, something good about smoking:

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/319794/smoking-alleviates-schizophrenia-symptoms-study

It has long been known that smoking relieves tension and improves concentration, but this goes much further.

Now for the deluge of anti-smoking commentary.

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#1683701 7-Dec-2016 10:14

Arsenic was seen as beneficial once.

As for relieving tension it's a placebo affect.

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#1683703 7-Dec-2016 10:18

frontal lobotomy works better

- easy to do

- cost effective

- doesn't give cancer everything

- doesn't give partners or housemates cancer everything

- doesn't produce CO2

- doesn't need child labour/slavery to

- and most of all, definitely works in humans, not just rats

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#1683919 7-Dec-2016 13:48

"- and most of all, definitely works in humans, not just rats"

Always said it would pay to come back as a rat as they get all the health remedies first. Free, as well.

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#1683958 7-Dec-2016 14:12

Rikkitic:

Finally, something good about smoking:

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/319794/smoking-alleviates-schizophrenia-symptoms-study

It has long been known that smoking relieves tension and improves concentration, but this goes much further.

Now for the deluge of anti-smoking commentary.

it also kills you

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#1683959 7-Dec-2016 14:19

vexxxboy:

it also kills you

Which, to be fair, will also permanently resolve any problems you have with tension or stress as well as curing schizophrenia

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#1683962 7-Dec-2016 14:38

So the adminstration of nicotine is what has the affect. Therefore patches or vaping might be a better way to achieve relief from the symptoms.
Plus since schizophrenia is eased by smoking that can no longer be an excuse for smokers discarding their butts on the footpath, out car windows, etc, as if they aren't litter. Your toxin filled filters normally end up in the harbour people!

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#1683970 7-Dec-2016 14:57

I quit 6 weeks ago because it's unaffordable, but I can't concentrate on anything anymore and I'm becoming more and more unreasonible and angry.

They should make cigarettes affordable again. Smoking really is beneficial, being able to live & not murder people far outweighs any risk of cancer.

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#1684004 7-Dec-2016 15:17

PaulBags: I quit 6 weeks ago because it's unaffordable, but I can't concentrate on anything anymore and I'm becoming more and more unreasonible and angry.

They should make cigarettes affordable again. Smoking really is beneficial, being able to live & not murder people far outweighs any risk of cancer.

You coped before you were addicted to nicotine, you will after

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#1684027 7-Dec-2016 15:40

nathan:
PaulBags: I quit 6 weeks ago because it's unaffordable, but I can't concentrate on anything anymore and I'm becoming more and more unreasonible and angry.

They should make cigarettes affordable again. Smoking really is beneficial, being able to live & not murder people far outweighs any risk of cancer.

You coped before you were addicted to nicotine, you will after

Before that it was alcohol, before that I didn't have to adult. As a kid I decided not to kill myself because life might be worth living one day, 18 years later I really haven't seen any evidence of that.

Yeah, smoking should be affordable. And if not, why not? Excise tax isn't earmarked for smoking related illness, which means government allowing addictive harmful substances to be sold for it's profit (taxes) - and isn't that half the arguement against other drugs? Where's the moral high horse in that?

If it's bad enough to discourage it's bad enough to ban, if it's bad enough to charge for damages then that charge should be proportionate to the damage; otherwise butt out.

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#1684032 7-Dec-2016 15:43

I gave up smoking easily and was very calm through out the process and if anyone said anything different I would rip their throat out, destroy their lunch, wreck their desk, kick the crap out of their Roses.

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#1684036 7-Dec-2016 15:52

Since I started this thread, I feel it is only proper that I state where I stand.

I was a very heavy smoker for more than 40 years. I never suffered any noticeable ill effects from smoking, other than a terrible cough, but like many smokers, I hated being so dependent. It is not hard to go a day without food, but an hour without a cigarette can make you really miserable if you are an addict. That is the part I didn’t like.

After many failed attempts, I eventually succeeded in quitting. I am still surprised by that. Anyway, I haven’t smoked in 12 years.

Unlike many reformed smokers, I do not feel any need to reform everyone else. One of my best friends is a smoker. I enjoy her fumes. It is almost as good as smoking myself.

I probably got it from my mother. She was a life-long smoker, having grown up in the 1930s and 40s with people like Bogart as an example. Of course he did not live very long, but she did. She had her last cigarette the day before she died, at the age of 88.

Interestingly enough, my dad never smoked. I have no idea how they were able to get along so well. I guess he was just a very tolerant person.

Unlike a lot of the ‘we know what’s best for you’ brigade today. First they banned smoking in offices. Then in restaurants. Then in bars, for godsake. Then prisons. Now they are after the outdoors. Parks, beaches and streets. They want to make New Zealand ‘smokefree’.

Smoking is bad for you. No question about that. But my sisters and I grew up enveloped in clouds of tobacco smoke and we have all lived to respectable ages with no sign of any disease or illness, smoking-related or not. I and many others have smoked like chimneys for years with no apparent consequences. Simply smelling a cigarette does not have to mean instant death. There is more than a slight element of hysteria that has crept into this debate.

People who don’t want to smoke shouldn’t have to. They ought to be able to have a coffee, or wait for a bus, without having to inhale the nicotine fumes of someone else. That is called choice. But people who do want to smoke should not be made to feel like second-class citizens, or no citizens at all. That is also called choice. A tolerant society has room for everyone. Unfortunately we seem to be rapidly moving in the direction of an intolerant one, where not smoking at all is the only acceptable option and anyone who disputes that is shouted down. Not a lot unlike McCarthyism in the American 1950s.

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#1684059 7-Dec-2016 16:42

Peer reviewed studies have also shown that smoking is beneficial if you suffer from Ulcerative Colitis:

"Nicotine in tobacco smoke may suppress the immune system and decrease inflammation in ulcerative colitis. Nicotine and other chemicals in cigarette smoke may increase the production of mucous in the part of the colon where ulcerative colitis usually starts and serves as a protective barrier."

I've had Crohn's Disease most of my life and I find that smoking helps, but nowadays I vape instead.

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#1684065 7-Dec-2016 16:51

Dynamike: Peer reviewed studies have also shown that smoking is beneficial if you suffer from Ulcerative Colitis:

"Nicotine in tobacco smoke may suppress the immune system and decrease inflammation in ulcerative colitis. Nicotine and other chemicals in cigarette smoke may increase the production of mucous in the part of the colon where ulcerative colitis usually starts and serves as a protective barrier."

I've had Crohn's Disease most of my life and I find that smoking helps, but nowadays I vape instead.

For Crohns there are much safer alternatives to smoking. TNF inhibitors have given good results.

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#1686842 13-Dec-2016 08:59

Rikkitic:

People who don’t want to smoke shouldn’t have to. They ought to be able to have a coffee, or wait for a bus, without having to inhale the nicotine fumes of someone else. That is called choice. But people who do want to smoke should not be made to feel like second-class citizens, or no citizens at all. That is also called choice. A tolerant society has room for everyone. Unfortunately we seem to be rapidly moving in the direction of an intolerant one, where not smoking at all is the only acceptable option and anyone who disputes that is shouted down. Not a lot unlike McCarthyism in the American 1950s.

I sorta get this - ie the choice thing. But it does go both ways...my problem with smoking however is that it is like any other 'antisocial' behaviour, where the others around the smoker have to put up with the smoke or move along themselves (like your so called second rate citizens). Much like street racing, random people getting ranty, or bad body odour - it's all a choice of those individuals participating, and the larger population have to either like it or lump it...or do something about it....and I think in this case it comes down to majority rules, and the fact is that the majority of people don't like smoking.

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#1686847 13-Dec-2016 09:07

Rikkitic:

Finally, something good about smoking:

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/319794/smoking-alleviates-schizophrenia-symptoms-study

It has long been known that smoking relieves tension and improves concentration, but this goes much further.

Now for the deluge of anti-smoking commentary.

Smoking-related cancer killed my father, but until he died he was pretty chilled out....until he found out he was dying.

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