Police Speed Campaign - Summer 2014/2015

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#1225254 30-Jan-2015 11:57

nzkiwiman:
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nzkiwiman: My search failed to find the other topic on this, but I came home from work yesterday and found that I had managed to get a speed camera fine during the new rules (1km over the speed limit and you get done)

$30 for doing 4km/hr over the speed limit in a 50km/hr zone (Gordon Road, Mosgiel) on the 3rd Jan just before noon.
I still haven't seen the speed camera :-)

Slightly annoyed at getting the ticket, especially for 4km/hr over the speed, because it is really hard to stick to 50 perfectly. In order to do that, you HAVE to be going under the speed limit
I am driving an older manual that does not have cruise and I have no idea if the speedometer I use to check my speed is "correct"

On the other hand - only $30.
Not worth any effort to fight it

Buy a radar detector.

How would this help?
How does a radar detector tell you there is a speed camera around - thought they only worked for police car radars?
(or Petrol Stations ... from my memory of the one my father had in the early 90s)

They'll detect any radar in the band used, including Van based speed cameras.
If the camera uses an induction loop in the road as a trigger then they won't work. However many now combine radar detection with a GPS data base of fixed camera locations which will warn you of them too.

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#1225258 30-Jan-2015 12:02

Geektastic:
nzkiwiman:
Geektastic:
nzkiwiman: My search failed to find the other topic on this, but I came home from work yesterday and found that I had managed to get a speed camera fine during the new rules (1km over the speed limit and you get done)

$30 for doing 4km/hr over the speed limit in a 50km/hr zone (Gordon Road, Mosgiel) on the 3rd Jan just before noon.
I still haven't seen the speed camera :-)

Slightly annoyed at getting the ticket, especially for 4km/hr over the speed, because it is really hard to stick to 50 perfectly. In order to do that, you HAVE to be going under the speed limit
I am driving an older manual that does not have cruise and I have no idea if the speedometer I use to check my speed is "correct"

On the other hand - only $30.
Not worth any effort to fight it

Buy a radar detector.

How would this help?
How does a radar detector tell you there is a speed camera around - thought they only worked for police car radars?
(or Petrol Stations ... from my memory of the one my father had in the early 90s)

They'll detect any radar in the band used, including Van based speed cameras.
If the camera uses an induction loop in the road as a trigger then they won't work. However many now combine radar detection with a GPS data base of fixed camera locations which will warn you of them too.

If it's a moving or stationary radar, and the cop knows what he is doing, chances are all the radar detector will tell you is that you have just been caught. They are not fool proof.

Lazy is such an ugly word, I prefer to call it selective participation

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#1225292 30-Jan-2015 12:46

KiwiNZ:

I found what I saw...

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#1225355 30-Jan-2015 13:33

joker97: i wonder how many goody 2 shoes here run amber lights

It is not an offence.

While a steady yellow signal in the form of a disc is displayed,—

(a) a driver facing the signal must not enter the controlled area while the signal is displayed unless the driver's vehicle is, when the signal first appears, so close to the controlled area that it cannot safely be stopped before entering the area:

Remember you are the one who judges if it is safe to stop.

I remember getting pulled over for this once, the conversation went something like this:

Him: Sir you ran a yellow light
me: I didn't believe I could safely stop before I entered the intersection
him: We call it pushing the red
me: I don't care what you call it, it is not an offence, I didn't believe I could safely stop before I entered the intersection
him: Are you trying to be clever?
me: No, I didn't believe I could safely stop before I entered the intersection
him: Well you must have being going over the speed limit
me: Its entirely possible, however, I didn't believe I could safely stop before I entered the intersection.
him: well just watch your speed next time.
me: sure, goodbye

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#1225396 30-Jan-2015 14:03

^ I had a similar conversation, but I still got a ticket around 6 years ago as the cop was at the front of the queue and "saw" the light change from green to orange while I was a fair distance away.
I could not sway him even though I was just hitting the intersection when the light changed.

And FYI - I paid my fine today

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#1225425 30-Jan-2015 14:58

And FYI - I paid my fine today

Have to check my mailbox on my way home today, lol.

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#1225432 30-Jan-2015 15:10

DravidDavid:
KiwiNZ:

I found what I saw...

Interesting indeed, haven't seen that type of mounting in this region. They couldn't leave it with an unattended vehicle like they do here it would last only a few minutes :P

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#1225433 30-Jan-2015 15:12

joker97: i wonder how many goody 2 shoes here run amber lights

The only time I go through an amber light is it is not safe or able to stop in time.

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#1225438 30-Jan-2015 15:21

The point is to detect speed changes between 97-103 km/h or 47-52 km/h is actually pretty difficult and therefore more regular eye movements are needed between the road and the speedo, I say this with confidence as three friends of mine who are all race car drivers , 2 of them tutors and extremely competent and aware drivers, they are very competent at judging speeds !
They took turns driving from Auckland to Taupo and at random intervals asked the driver to guess the speed of the vehicle ( covered the dash speedo). as the terrain changed speed perceptions changed, and quite a bit.
The worst was 14 km/h off !

several factors are involved,
the width of the road - wider roads seem slower
smoother roads seemed slower.
slight downhill seems slower.
background noise - the more internal noise the harder it is to gauge speed
speed of other traffic
visibility ( at night there is less visual perception of longer distances and more of shorter distances)
the uniformity of the road ( as you travel towards patches / potholes and colour changes on the road they make your speed appear faster)

there are also some vehicle factors in maintaining a solid speed

manual vs automatic. manuals allow a consistent level of engine braking on overrun - auto's don't
the gear ratio, the higher the rpm the more conscious the driver is of speed changes
air conditioning - this can kick in and out changing a cruising in a low powered car by up to 4 km/h

so in a nut shell, you have to look at the speedo quite regularly, especially if you are not familiar with the vehicle ( tourists/rentals/)

It's screaming dumb to implement a policy that encourages people to look at their dashboards when the vast majority of crashes are due to poor vision, lack of attention leading to shock adrenalin type reactions that cause loss of control scenarios.

Awareness is the key and you won't get it from staring at the dashboard

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#1225442 30-Jan-2015 15:35

nzkiwiman: ^ I had a similar conversation, but I still got a ticket around 6 years ago as the cop was at the front of the queue and "saw" the light change from green to orange while I was a fair distance away.
I could not sway him even though I was just hitting the intersection when the light changed.

And FYI - I paid my fine today

If you had gone to court you would have won...

the reason is that you are the only person who can decide whether or not it was safe for you to stop.

you new what was behind you
you know how well your car brakes
you know if you were too busy looking at the speedo to see the light the instant it changed (don't use this excuse)
you know your reaction time
you know if your wheels were on the painted road markings
you know if you were speeding (the cop cannot judge your speed, the human brain is too unreliable)

I was once on the other side of one of these arguments and guess what... the defendant won

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#1225503 30-Jan-2015 17:10

joker97: i wonder how many goody 2 shoes here run amber lights

Fewer than the "Above Average Drivers" that post here.

A.

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#1225573 30-Jan-2015 18:59

dickytim:

Why didn't your boss slow down before the 50 sign?

Ask him.

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#1225661 30-Jan-2015 21:04

afe66:
joker97: i wonder how many goody 2 shoes here run amber lights

Fewer than the "Above Average Drivers" that post here.

A.

i suspect most contributors on this thread don't live in auckland, or that aucklanders don't post on these threads in GZ, or am i missing something - last time i drove in AKL amber meant go, and red means stop if there is a red light camera!

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#1225668 30-Jan-2015 21:16

joker97:
afe66:
joker97: i wonder how many goody 2 shoes here run amber lights

Fewer than the "Above Average Drivers" that post here.

A.

i suspect most contributors on this thread don't live in auckland, or that aucklanders don't post on these threads in GZ, or am i missing something - last time i drove in AKL amber meant go, and red means stop if there is a red light camera!

The very stupid practice of red light running or massive Amber light acceleration is becoming more prevalent in Wellington, it is why I don't pull off as soon as the light turns green.

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#1225669 30-Jan-2015 21:26

when in Rome .. ?

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