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#1834551 31-Jul-2017 21:59

@Cybnate:

Linuxluver:

PhantomNVD: Being able to do vehicle to house would be a killer application af any EV, essentially negating the new for a powerwall at all. I’d be really interested when/if that comes about as then you could use the EV to run your house over the peak 7-9pm period for the price of a quick QC (often free) near your home... and recharge in ‘offpeak’ Hours overnight.

This could be the best way for an electrical supply company to leverage YOUR infrastructure to ride their peak load times... negating the need for hugely expensive ‘peakers’ and possibly making our electric supply entirely green too (and likely explode Solar installations growth too?)

Vector are looking at it if you live in Auckland.

I dived into this. Won't be until mid next year before Vector would offer it to consumers. The professional, expensive and bulky setup they (and overseas companies) have been experimenting with is not suitable for home use.

Will take some time and cost to get it even certified for NZ use. Haven't even seen consumer like setups for sale overseas yet. This is bleeding edge clearly. Be patient.

Why do people always look for solutions made overseas? It would be great if a company like Vector could help fund a locally designed and built unit for NZ.

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#1834787 1-Aug-2017 10:48

As of yesterday have managed to convert Japanese Leaf Cluster (ODO above steering wheel) into English. Can do nationwide.

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#1834793 1-Aug-2017 10:53

RUKI:

As of yesterday have managed to convert Japanese Leaf Cluster (ODO above steering wheel) into English. Can do nationwide.

What are you charging?

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#1834913 1-Aug-2017 13:28

ubergeeknz:

RUKI:

As of yesterday have managed to convert Japanese Leaf Cluster (ODO above steering wheel) into English. Can do nationwide.

What are you charging?

this ^^

and, is there work ongoing on converting the central display too?

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#1835164 1-Aug-2017 19:16

Linuxluver:

@Cybnate:

Linuxluver:

PhantomNVD: Being able to do vehicle to house would be a killer application af any EV, essentially negating the new for a powerwall at all. I’d be really interested when/if that comes about as then you could use the EV to run your house over the peak 7-9pm period for the price of a quick QC (often free) near your home... and recharge in ‘offpeak’ Hours overnight.

This could be the best way for an electrical supply company to leverage YOUR infrastructure to ride their peak load times... negating the need for hugely expensive ‘peakers’ and possibly making our electric supply entirely green too (and likely explode Solar installations growth too?)

Vector are looking at it if you live in Auckland.

I dived into this. Won't be until mid next year before Vector would offer it to consumers. The professional, expensive and bulky setup they (and overseas companies) have been experimenting with is not suitable for home use.

Will take some time and cost to get it even certified for NZ use. Haven't even seen consumer like setups for sale overseas yet. This is bleeding edge clearly. Be patient.

Why do people always look for solutions made overseas? It would be great if a company like Vector could help fund a locally designed and built unit for NZ.

Would be great indeed, like to see NZ leading in this. Had a chat with Vector just about that and offered myself as 'tester' for solutions they come up with. Only looked overseas as there are a few European countries with far more EVs on the road than NZ. You would expect commercial parties to jump into that gap as those markets are much larger. Issue for companies in NZ is usually the relatively small market unless there are opportunities to sell solutions overseas. However, strangely enough that appears to be not the case (yet). So here is still a chance to beat the rest of the world :-)

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#1835318 1-Aug-2017 22:54

PhantomNVD:

ubergeeknz:

RUKI:

As of yesterday have managed to convert Japanese Leaf Cluster (ODO above steering wheel) into English. Can do nationwide.

What are you charging?

this ^^

and, is there work ongoing on converting the central display too?

Call my mobile (or one of my messengers) to discuss $.

As for Central Display - at the moment it is sitting in the "no customers who are willing to pay for English" basket. Absence of GPS map for NZ - status quo.

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#1835841 2-Aug-2017 16:04

Here is Leaf Japanese Cluster Conversion video, fresh from my Lab:

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Leaf Japanese 2 English Conversion

re-posted on FB:

Leaf Japanese 2 English Conversion

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#1836033 2-Aug-2017 19:33

If I bought a cheap 2011 Leaf how long could I expect it to go before it had difficulty with a 70km round trip? I am unsure of how the boss would feel if I ran an extension cord to the office at work and charged the car for 2 or 3 hours each morning, though at under $1 per day if I did that he might not care.

Home -> Work -> Home = ~70km

It looks like I could save a reasonable amount if I sold my ST1300 motorcycle and bought a Leaf and used it to commute to work and back every day. I would save over $1k per year on fuel (Petrol is currently ~$1600 per year, maybe near $1200 saved if I went EV) and over $300 on rego (motorcycle rego is $522 PA) and ~$500 PA on tyres (bike doesn't manage an entire year on each tyre and 1 front + 1 rear costs ~$800). It looks like I'd be saving around $2k PA if I switched my daily commuter to a Nissan Leaf.

Do 2nd hand Leafs usually come with a charger? What am I needing to buy initially? Is it car + on road costs + charger? For a car priced at $10,995 would I be spending around $12k total to be away and laughing?

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#1836046 2-Aug-2017 19:58

My wife is doing an 84 Km round trip in a 2011 model x leaf (11 bars) and usually ends (starting with a recommended 80% overnight charge) on 12-30kms remaining, but refuses (so far) to drive more economically (AKA “didn’t buy it to drive like a Nana!”)

70kms should be easily maintained for a reasonably long time (5 years at least?) before POTENTIALLY needing to swap out either some modules or the entire battery pack. At that time, many predict it should be able to get an upgraded range/pack for around the current replacement cost of $5-6,0000...

A dealer is required to sell it to you with an NZ legal ‘charger’, probably either a 16A ‘commando’ (caravan) plug end or potentially an 8-10A (trickle overnight) charge cable. Add on $200-$500 for a sparky to give you a 16A socket in your parking area, and $250-600 (!) on road cost (depending on dealer price gouging) and you’ll be set for around 12,000.

We’ve owned ours for only a week so far, and are still acclimateing to arriving home with ‘only’ 11kms spare... with traffic in your commute, you’re way less likely to be trying to do 105 on the freeway and should easily arrive home on 30-50kms spare, depending on how heavy your foot is? ☺️

*edit - download the plugshare app, and make sure you get one with a CHaDeMO fast charging port (virtually all the jap ones) and there are a growing number of FastCharger (often free) stations that would be blue to give you a 10min 20-30% chargeup (or 1/2 hour to 80%) if you needed to go out further some days, or later when/if you get less confident on your decreasing mileage and if the boss won’t let you get powered up at work...

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#1836047 2-Aug-2017 20:03

Another question for me though, how many 15A wallplug chargers are ‘out there’?
Is it worth getting an adapter for my ‘blue commando’ plug to go 15A wall plug too?

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#1836696 3-Aug-2017 16:29

OK, I have more questions & thoughts:

I'm thinking about upping my budget a bit and spending $16-18k on a Gen 2 Leaf. I kinda want a newer nicer car and also I'm thinking with a bit more range and a couple of years newer it would take a few more years before my 70km round trip to work becomes a problem. Actually, more range also makes it easier to charge to 80% and go easier on the battery. So what do you guys think? Is it worth it to get a 2013/2014 Gen 2 Leaf?

In many ways I'd like the 30kWh version, but they all seem to be up around $10k more again and that is a bit much for me.

I'm a bit torn on the charger - I like the idea of a plug that works at campgrounds but I also like the idea of a standard 3-pin plug that I can use at any house. I could be staying at a friend's or relatives' house and give them five bucks towards their power bill and plug in for a few hours. I get that 8A is a bit slow, but a 24kW battery is never going to have a problem if left charging overnight. Even hanging out with friends for a few hours is plenty of time to get a decent charge in, 6 hours of charging would still be enough to add 60km to the vehicle's remaining range. What's the easiest way to have both options available?

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#1836714 3-Aug-2017 16:44

PhantomNVD: Another question for me though, how many 15A wallplug chargers are ‘out there’?
Is it worth getting an adapter for my ‘blue commando’ plug to go 15A wall plug too?

15A outlets are not very common now days. If I recall correctly, you can plug a 10 amp plug into a 15 amp outlet anyway, so it would be a bit redundant having a 15amp and a 10amp adaptor. The 15 amp male earth pin is wider than the 10 amp so you can't plug a 15amp plug into a 10 amp socket.

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#1836721 3-Aug-2017 16:52

@MarkH67, in a Leaf, the charger is built into the car. Most have the 3kW charger, some (particularly UK) have a 6.6kW charger. Both are single phase only. Gen 1 Leaf, it's that lump in the boot area, Gen 2, it's under the bonnet.

The EVSE (EV Supply Equipment) is what you use to connect the charger to a power supply. As well as keeping everything safe so nothing is power up until all connected and ready to go, the EVSE reports to the charger what capacity power supply it is connected to, and therefore what the maximum current it can draw is. There are EVSEs available that have user selectable current - i.e. 15/10/6 amps etc. One of these coupled with a plug adaptor like this may be the answer for you.

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#1836750 3-Aug-2017 17:51

MarkH67:

OK, I have more questions & thoughts:

I'm thinking about upping my budget a bit and spending $16-18k on a Gen 2 Leaf. I kinda want a newer nicer car and also I'm thinking with a bit more range and a couple of years newer it would take a few more years before my 70km round trip to work becomes a problem. Actually, more range also makes it easier to charge to 80% and go easier on the battery. So what do you guys think? Is it worth it to get a 2013/2014 Gen 2 Leaf?

Exactly my thoughts when I was considering purchasing Leafs, ended up with Gen 2 - 24 Kwh.
From what I read, the battery tends to deteriorate slower than Gen 1 leafs, and with much more efficient heat-pumps for cooling and heating, it simply worth the extra cost, IMO.

I also opted for the higher trim, leather, body kit, 17" alloys which only cost a little bit more but goes "further" in enjoyability :-)

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#1836900 3-Aug-2017 23:51

My range has taken a noticeable hit in last 2 months. Having previously averaged ~8.4 km/kWh (including some aircon), it's now more like 7 km/kWh (with lots of heatpump going), and less on the single digit temperature days in Christchurch. No change in routes.

i.e. 15%+ decrease in range.

Interested in hearing other's experiences.

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