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#3183972 19-Jan-2024 14:21

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It is interesting to see that in Norway ICE cars have more problems in the cold than EVs

Yeah, I mean, this is all click-bait to reinforce the "EVs suck" narrative on behalf of the oil industry. Same as how every few months when an EV catches fire it's all over the NZ Herald, but the 20 ICE fires a day go unremarked. Attempting to fix it with facts isn't going to help.

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#3183975 19-Jan-2024 14:34

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It does bring up a problem with Tesla though. There is no way to turn on battery pre-conditioning 'manually'.

Without any extra equipment, yes. But with the S3XY Buttons or S3XY Knob you can actually start pre-conditioning at any time.

I agree that Tesla should have it as a standard feature, though.

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#3184144 19-Jan-2024 20:38

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jarledb:

It is interesting to see that in Norway ICE cars have more problems in the cold than EVs

Yeah, I mean, this is all click-bait to reinforce the "EVs suck" narrative on behalf of the oil industry. Same as how every few months when an EV catches fire it's all over the NZ Herald, but the 20 ICE fires a day go unremarked. Attempting to fix it with facts isn't going to help.

Are Teslas the only brand to have these issues to this extent? Other car makers must be doing something right.

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#3184145 19-Jan-2024 20:41

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Are Teslas the only brand to have these issues to this extent? Other car makers must be doing something right.

The "in cold weather" problem (from my understanding) is a problem with chargers icing up, cooling for the chargers icing up, the termal management (and liquids used for that) icing up etc.

I am 100% certain it is not a Tesla only problem. But as per the article I shared earlier, more ICE than EVs have problems when it gets really cold.

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#3184149 19-Jan-2024 20:52

I signed up to the Genesis EV plan today as they had a $100 sign up credit offer as well. Apparently it can take up to 20 working days to configure the smart meter remotely due to how busy they can be. Should result in really cheap public charging now with chargenet during long drives atleast to offset the upcoming RUC costs. 27cents incl gst from 9pm to 7am and 13.8c incl gst from 7am to 9pm.

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#3184204 19-Jan-2024 21:43

jarledb: The "in cold weather" problem (from my understanding) is a problem with chargers icing up, cooling for the chargers icing up, the termal management (and liquids used for that) icing up etc.

I find that explanation on the public chargers plausible. What is the explanation for the number of Teslas in the photo parked up and going nowhere?

I doubt they all arrived with less than zero charge. I doubt the owners lived so far from the chargers they left cars with 20km in the tank and called an uber. Maybe that points to an accessory battery but there's still too many cars in the photo for that coincidence.

Personally I don't know about this just seen the photos and have no idea about the story I'll look later, is it real. Is it easy to push a non-functional Tesla is there a park disable switch or something like that?

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#3184256 19-Jan-2024 22:35

Tesla holds a 34.1% market share in Norway, so if it was a big problem, it would have been discovered already.

Not an expert by any stretch, but it sounds like some like combination of a bad user interface (insufficient feedback and missing pre-conditioning option), inexperience Tesla owners, and frankly bad helpdesk support/missing PR department from Tesla

1) owners plugged their Tesla up to the super charger

2) Unknown to the owner, the charger begins heating up the battery. Apparently in artic like temperatures this could take 40 minutes before the charging starts.

3) the owner thinks the charger is malfunctioning, because the charge state is not increasing.

4) he takes the charger off hook to indicate a faulty charger.

As mentioned, ICE cars have as much problems as EV in artic temperatures, but many people learned about dealing with extreme temperatures with ICE cars, not so much with EV.

Again Tesla lack of a PR department doesn't help.

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#3184425 20-Jan-2024 15:52

I thought this was interesting. Charging in Canada at -35C to -40C.

I have had to deal with an ICE in -35C, and the only reason I got anywhere was because I had an engine heater that was on and heated the car while parked. There is a good chance you are not going anywhere if you don't have some heat for the ICE car at those temperatures.

While driving the manual gear box and its oil made it very hard to change gears.

So this was pretty impressive. The tester used 3 different chargers and had no problem charging his Model Y.

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#3184442 20-Jan-2024 16:08

4) he takes the charger off hook to indicate a faulty charger.

All good points up to here. Why doesn't the owner just drive home after that instead of asking that guy to push it over to park with the rest of them? And if the owner has left the car there and it's not the owner pushing it you'll need to explain how that guy disengaged park without access to the car to to do it ; ).

Other than all that, as I'm as disinclined to believe the news story as the rest here. There could well be an explanation independent of the variables identified in the discussion so far.

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#3184449 20-Jan-2024 16:28

gzt:
jarledb: The "in cold weather" problem (from my understanding) is a problem with chargers icing up, cooling for the chargers icing up, the termal management (and liquids used for that) icing up etc.

I find that explanation on the public chargers plausible. What is the explanation for the number of Teslas in the photo parked up and going nowhere?

I doubt they all arrived with less than zero charge. I doubt the owners lived so far from the chargers they left cars with 20km in the tank and called an uber. Maybe that points to an accessory battery but there's still too many cars in the photo for that coincidence.

Personally I don't know about this just seen the photos and have no idea about the story I'll look later, is it real. Is it easy to push a non-functional Tesla is there a park disable switch or something like that?

Because the issue was unique to Superchargers in this location, which will mostly have Tesla's charging at them. As I mentioned earlier, it seems the issue was related to using a coolant in the Superchargers that wasn't rated for the cold temps it got to, so the cables froze.

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#3184650 21-Jan-2024 09:05

The third fully electric model from Chinese firm "Build Your Dreams" BYD is called the BYD Seal.

https://www.bydauto.co.nz/: "Prices start from NZ $62,990 + ORC"

This video is only going to appeal to computer/network nerds or privacy nuts (in particular Chinese government privacy)
andinterested in the BYD Seal

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#3184655 21-Jan-2024 09:46

kingdragonfly: The third fully electric model from Chinese firm "Build Your Dreams" BYD is called the BYD Seal.

https://www.bydauto.co.nz/: "Prices start from NZ $62,990 + ORC"

This video is only going to appeal to computer/network nerds or privacy nuts (in particular Chinese government privacy)
andinterested in the BYD Seal

Although It seemed that most of the traffic was heading to US servers thou , ( Google/Qualcomm etc ) -Rather than CCP hacking camps 😃

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#3184656 21-Jan-2024 09:58

I have not watched the video yet but, you can do that with all cars and appliances and phones etc etc. Someone will mention the washing machine case offtopic here's a round up of what happened there and the favoured conclusion router reporting was incorrect + no traffic analysis at all.

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#3184661 21-Jan-2024 10:12

wellygary: Although It seemed that most of the traffic was heading to US servers thou , ( Google/Qualcomm etc ) -Rather than CCP hacking camps 😃

He did hint that the car's precise location was being sent to China.

Which is not surprising, but if you're a three letter agency is very handy.

At this point you just have to throw up your hands and say "20 years ago privacy died."

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#3184802 21-Jan-2024 16:11

kingdragonfly:
wellygary: Although It seemed that most of the traffic was heading to US servers thou , ( Google/Qualcomm etc ) -Rather than CCP hacking camps 😃

He did hint that the car's precise location was being sent to China.

Which is not surprising, but if you're a three letter agency is very handy.

At this point you just have to throw up your hands and say "20 years ago privacy died."

Not just BYD, it's a whole bunch of them...

‘Privacy Nightmare on Wheels’: Every Car Brand Reviewed By Mozilla — Including Ford, Volkswagen and Toyota — Flunks Privacy Test

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