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#3300751 23-Oct-2024 22:45

Both.

We've converted to EV fully. It's now second nature to us. Quite a shift in mindset just a year or so ago when we were so worried about mileage. Now it's plug and forget.

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#3301190 24-Oct-2024 19:30

Kookoo:

A bit of a random question. If a family has two cars - a larger one (SUV, station wagon, etc.) and a small hatchback; which one does it make more sense to replace with an EV, assuming both ICE cars are currently being similarly used and getting similar weekly mileage?

it really depends on the EV you are looking at getting, if its a small town car with limited range, ie a 2nd hand leaf then i would replace the smaller one so you still have a vehicle to do longer trips. If its something bigger with longer range and more space then you could replace the larger car.

We were forced to replace our smaller car, and went with a leaf with a 200+km range and as i drive further daily i drive that now. And we use it in the weekends. its still handy to have a more powerful car around which can tow and take us on longer trips. We have now pretty much halved its yearly range. would have liked to get an EV with a larger range but didnt have the funds available at the time.

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#3301194 24-Oct-2024 19:41

Limited options for a larger SUV - can really only think of Kia EV9.

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#3301195 24-Oct-2024 19:43

johno1234:

Limited options for a larger SUV - can really only think of Kia EV9.

why does it have to be an SUV?

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#3301198 24-Oct-2024 20:11

Jase2985:

johno1234:

Limited options for a larger SUV - can really only think of Kia EV9.

why does it have to be an SUV?

@Kookoo hasn't given us must info to go by so advice has been based only on just what he said. Price range for what can be paid for an EV would be a good start.

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#3301202 24-Oct-2024 20:27

Jase2985:

johno1234:

Limited options for a larger SUV - can really only think of Kia EV9.

why does it have to be an SUV?

Was in the OP's remit.

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#3301203 24-Oct-2024 20:28

HarmLessSolutions:

Jase2985:

johno1234:

Limited options for a larger SUV - can really only think of Kia EV9.

why does it have to be an SUV?

@Kookoo hasn't given us must info to go by so advice has been based only on just what he said. Price range for what can be paid for an EV would be a good start.

Unless it's going to be driven on dirt tracks, or carrying a large family or otherwise lots of passengers, SUVs are largely to provide a false sense of security to the driver.

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#3301206 24-Oct-2024 20:39

deepred:

Unless it's going to be driven on dirt tracks, or carrying a large family or otherwise lots of passengers, SUVs are largely to provide a false sense of security to the driver.

Valid justifications and add towing and winter driving in cold areas. The sense of security is not false though. Larger cars have better visibility and better crash survivability. EVs are very heavy so larger EVs are even more survivable. The other car in a two car collision not so much.

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#3301250 24-Oct-2024 23:42

Kookoo:

A bit of a random question. If a family has two cars - a larger one (SUV, station wagon, etc.) and a small hatchback; which one does it make more sense to replace with an EV, assuming both ICE cars are currently being similarly used and getting similar weekly mileage?

Really comes down to the use case and capital budget.

It is going to be much cheaper to swap out a petrol hatchback for a EV. Can get a Used 40kWh leaf for less than $15k, and there are many other hatch offerings if the budget is a little bigger. (Also subcompact SUV's like the Kona are pritty much small hatchbacks with extra plastic trim around the wheels).

In terms of larger offerings, they are generally substantially more expensive, and in a multi car household are often the car of choice for more onerous tasks. Carrying larger loads (holiday luggage), Long distance trips, roof loads, towing, bike racks etc.

With the exception of a couple of fairly rare used imports, the ~$200k Taycan (or audi sister car) is the only EV wagon on the NZ market, meaning that many people end up with SUV's. Model Y, Ioniq 5, EV9 etc.... Very nice cars, but much higher priced than the small cars.

If you budget can't handle the latter, then the former is the pick.

But if your budget can handle the latter, you are replacing the more thirsty vehicle which is good.

We replaced our small car with an EV because at the time there was no EV (other than the very expensive model S & X) that could have replaced our Lexus RX hybrid SUV. Such cars (model Y, Ioniq 5, EV9 etc) have now come to market, but the lexus doesn't see a heap of use so re can't justify the cost at the moment.

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#3301268 25-Oct-2024 05:18

johno1234:

Was in the OP's remit.

it was an example "a larger one (SUV, station wagon, etc.)"

Seems it could be any large EV, not just an SUV

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#3301513 25-Oct-2024 16:15

johno1234:

deepred:

Unless it's going to be driven on dirt tracks, or carrying a large family or otherwise lots of passengers, SUVs are largely to provide a false sense of security to the driver.

Valid justifications and add towing and winter driving in cold areas. The sense of security is not false though. Larger cars have better visibility and better crash survivability. EVs are very heavy so larger EVs are even more survivable. The other car in a two car collision not so much.

Or pedestrians.

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#3301654 25-Oct-2024 23:25

Jase2985:

johno1234:

Was in the OP's remit.

it was an example "a larger one (SUV, station wagon, etc.)"

Seems it could be any large EV, not just an SUV

Unless one has the budget for something like a Taycan wagon, there are precious few "larger" EV options that aren't SUV's on the market.

Model S is discontinued in RHD

LDV eT60 is discontinued (but ex demo stock remains available

Mifa 9 never really seemed to land in decent volumes, and is pricing as a new car is fairly higher for the badge and spec sheet (There is a 2022 on trade me at $70k though).

Mercedes-Benz Vito eVito Tourer, again not super common, and fairly expensive for the spec sheet vs SUV's.

Kind of only SUV's left a a viable option for many buyers.

Large stuff like EV9, BMW iX, Audi E-tron.

And medium stuff with enough luggage space for those looking for Large vehicles to cross shop (Model Y, Skoda Enyaq etc).

If VW would bring the I.D.7 Tourer here that would fill a gap in the market, but sadly current market conditions make that look unlikely.

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#3301666 26-Oct-2024 00:18

Kookoo: A bit of a random question. If a family has two cars - a larger one (SUV, station wagon, etc.) and a small hatchback; which one does it make more sense to replace with an EV, assuming both ICE cars are currently being similarly used and getting similar weekly mileage?

Additional cost of charging infrastructure might play a role in that decision. For cost reasons you don't want to be charging away from home too often. The hatchback may have marginally lower consumption and easier to get away with using a standard jack at home initially before considering jack upgrade or charger upgrade.

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#3301689 26-Oct-2024 09:03

gzt:

Kookoo: A bit of a random question. If a family has two cars - a larger one (SUV, station wagon, etc.) and a small hatchback; which one does it make more sense to replace with an EV, assuming both ICE cars are currently being similarly used and getting similar weekly mileage?

Additional cost of charging infrastructure might play a role in that decision. For cost reasons you don't want to be charging away from home too often. The hatchback may have marginally lower consumption and easier to get away with using a standard jack at home initially before considering jack upgrade or charger upgrade.

And herein is one of the main reasons why EV take up has its limits. People with no off street parking cannot charge at home. And people who rent are unlikely to install charging units in their landlord’s property, and landlords won’t see any cost benefit in doing so. And with fewer numbers of young people unable to afford a home, the % of renters will only increase over time.

(However, only a temporary problem. Elon’s robotaxis will swoop in and save the day).

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#3301774 26-Oct-2024 14:38

Charging at charging stations is not impractical or cost prohibitive. In practice many people do it all the time for one reason or another.

dafman: And people who rent are unlikely to install charging units in their landlord’s property,

It isn't necessary. Overnight charging on a standard household socket and dialed down to 8A for a safety margin if you like easily adds 80km range to whatever you already had in the car.

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