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Topic # 161654 14-Jan-2015 20:30
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Thought I would share this one with you from today.

To me its pretty obvious that the little Toyota that pulls in (without looking) in front of my car was supposed to have yielded. Am I wrong? The drive seemed to think she/he was in the right.





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  Reply # 1215090 14-Jan-2015 20:33
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I agree, I would say you have right of way, since the other driver has to merge with your lane. But here they seem to love having lane mergers without lines to make it clear who should give way. Good thing it was a miss, or it could have gotten messy!




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  Reply # 1215092 14-Jan-2015 20:37
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No one should have to give way if both drivers properly position them self to merge like a zip. 

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/roadcode/about-driving/merging.html 

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  Reply # 1215096 14-Jan-2015 20:47
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Sure, merge like a zip. In this case the driver in the main road seemed to be AHEAD and the Toyota was merging into a main street, so I'd say the Toyota driver should have slowed down a bit and merged AFTER.

But hey, muppets.





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  Reply # 1215097 14-Jan-2015 20:50
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lxsw20: No one should have to give way if both drivers properly position them self to merge like a zip. 

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/roadcode/about-driving/merging.html 


Having smooth traffic flow (not to mention unbent cars) dependent on everyone paying attention and not being a***holes is not a good strategy, in my humble opinion. Sure, it's the best strategy *if* everyone is paying attention (science proves it!) ... But life ain't like that.




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  Reply # 1215100 14-Jan-2015 20:54
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Similar case, getting out of the roundabout, two lanes. I am on the right lane, one car length ahead of the following car which is on the left lane. We both exit left, I am indicating. The muppet decided that it was a good place to overtake ON THE LEFT, even though he was way behind me (I could see him on my left mirror).

Driver accelerated and when he couldn't pass me because, you know, there's a frigging lane merge out of the roundabout, he put the hand on the horn like he was full of rights.

As I said, muppets.

On the other hand, jarledb... If you see a merge like this one and there are cars coming out, make a point of changing lanes - give space because... muppets.







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  Reply # 1215113 14-Jan-2015 21:13
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freitasm: 
On the other hand, jarledb... If you see a merge like this one and there are cars coming out, make a point of changing lanes - give space because... muppets.


I agree. and I usually do. I try my best to keep things flowing, but for whatever reason I didn't move over today. Probably because of the whole white line on my left most of the way through.

Lucky I pay attention, because if I didn't she/he would have slammed into my car.




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  Reply # 1215121 14-Jan-2015 21:48
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As I see it you are meant to give way to the right and that car was on your right. There are no merging instruction signs or indications visible to indicate otherwise. Notwithstanding they did speed up to push in ahead of you.

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  Reply # 1215127 14-Jan-2015 22:03
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In this merging lanes situation I don't think either lane has priority it depends on vehicle position. I suggest that JarleB should have seen the Toyota AHEAD of him and slowed down a little.

Edit. The White line on the left doesn't count as much as the absence of any line across the end of the merging lane.

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  Reply # 1215130 14-Jan-2015 22:07
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There is a similar setup just past Porirua heading north on SH1 down here in Wellington. Except I'm going 100km/h and Muppets are merging from the right!

I believe if you are on the main flow then you have right of way. So you had right of way and they should've slowed and merged behind you.


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  Reply # 1215131 14-Jan-2015 22:11
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wally22: As I see it you are meant to give way to the right and that car was on your right. There are no merging instruction signs or indications visible to indicate otherwise. Notwithstanding they did speed up to push in ahead of you.


i don't think this is one of those give way to the right situations

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  Reply # 1215145 14-Jan-2015 22:46
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freitasm: 
On the other hand, jarledb... If you see a merge like this one and there are cars coming out, make a point of changing lanes - give space because... muppets.



The done thing in Queensland. Move right a lane if free to allow unhindered merge. 

I know my approaches on the way to work, and leave merge space ahead while keeping flow speed. Then you get muppets who don't come up to the flow speed and decide its fun nearly slamming into the side of you is easier than slotting into the hole you left..



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  Reply # 1215167 15-Jan-2015 00:18
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Got a maps link?

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  Reply # 1215187 15-Jan-2015 00:35
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lxsw20: No one should have to give way if both drivers properly position them self to merge like a zip. 

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/roadcode/about-driving/merging.html 


Having smooth traffic flow (not to mention unbent cars) dependent on everyone paying attention and not being a***holes is not a good strategy, in my humble opinion. Sure, it's the best strategy *if* everyone is paying attention (science proves it!) ... But life ain't like that.


Completely agree with this. 

One thing i don't understand at all on auckland roads is the frequent "queuing lanes" at traffic lights. What i mean here is where the intersection has an extra lane on the left that then merges back into the left lane shortly after the lights. This only seems to encourage aggressive undertaking and people just being... muppets. (i'm not talking about extra lanes to facilitate turning left or right here)

example: https://www.google.co.nz/maps/@-36.8898864,174.7601414,67m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en why have the extra 3rd lane on Balmoral rd straight though when before and after the lights there are only 2?

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  Reply # 1215188 15-Jan-2015 00:40
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is it to allow more cars to queue at the intersection and wait, without blocking up the road further behind perhaps?



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  Reply # 1215189 15-Jan-2015 00:42
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gzt:
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Got a maps link?


This is the place on Google Maps.

I was driving on highway 2, following it. The other person had just gone through the roundabout from highway 50 and was going onto 2.




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