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#171509 21-Apr-2015 09:26
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From autoblog "Automakers to gearheads: Stop repairing cars"


Automakers are supporting provisions in copyright law that could prohibit home mechanics and car enthusiasts from repairing and modifying their own vehicles.

In comments filed with a federal agency that will determine whether tinkering with a car constitutes a copyright violation, OEMs and their main lobbying organization say cars have become too complex and dangerous for consumers and third parties to handle.

Allowing them to continue to fix their cars has become "legally problematic," according to a written statement from the Auto Alliance, the main lobbying arm of automakers.

The dispute arises from a section of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act that no one thought could apply to vehicles when it was signed into law in 1998. But now, in an era where cars are rolling computing platforms, the U.S. Copyright Office is examining whether provisions of the law that protect intellectual property should prohibit people from modifying and tuning their cars.


And if TTP is passed expect this kind of madness to apply everywhere in signatory countries...






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  #1288282 21-Apr-2015 09:30
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would buying Japanese and Korean (and god forbid Chinese) -made cars be exempt?

either way the TPPA is crazy.



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  #1288285 21-Apr-2015 09:35
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assume this applies only to the computer related components of the car?

Can't imagine how changing a spark plug could be copyright infringement,  but can certainly imagine how tinkering with the code in a computer might be  (albeit still undesirable)

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  #1288289 21-Apr-2015 09:41
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20 days late for 1 April.



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  #1288290 21-Apr-2015 09:41
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Title of this thread is misleading. But yeah, can see both pros and cons to not allowing ECU modifications, copyright concerns aren't in either category though!

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  #1288291 21-Apr-2015 09:41
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OMG the world is going mad

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  #1288292 21-Apr-2015 09:42
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Only in the USA....I wonder how long the sheeple will tolerate the crap that big corporations inflict to protect their obscene profits. I know for a fact that every car I have flashed and replaced the ECU on has performed better and used less fuel.

Good luck on trying to enforce it.




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  #1288296 21-Apr-2015 09:52
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NonprayingMantis: assume this applies only to the computer related components of the car?

Can't imagine how changing a spark plug could be copyright infringement,  but can certainly imagine how tinkering with the code in a computer might be  (albeit still undesirable)


Undesirable... I don't think so, I do it all the time. It is quite desirable. Why should I pay $600 for key when with the manipulation of a couple of bytes I can add any key I want?






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  #1288299 21-Apr-2015 09:55
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johnr: OMG the world is going mad


"going"?




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  #1288301 21-Apr-2015 10:00
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This harks back to the "Piracy, its a crime" vid.

    You wouldn't repair a car
    But I'd download one if I could!



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  #1288302 21-Apr-2015 10:04
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tigercorp: This harks back to the "Piracy, its a crime" vid.

    You wouldn't repair a car
    But I'd download one if I could!




Well our government effectively outlawed working on your own house...




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  #1288311 21-Apr-2015 10:22
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mdooher:
NonprayingMantis: assume this applies only to the computer related components of the car?

Can't imagine how changing a spark plug could be copyright infringement,  but can certainly imagine how tinkering with the code in a computer might be  (albeit still undesirable)


Undesirable... I don't think so, I do it all the time. It is quite desirable. Why should I pay $600 for key when with the manipulation of a couple of bytes I can add any key I want?




I mean undesirable for that to become copyright infringement (i.e. it would be undesirable to stop you from doing what you want to do)

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  #1288317 21-Apr-2015 10:28
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NonprayingMantis:
mdooher:
NonprayingMantis: assume this applies only to the computer related components of the car?

Can't imagine how changing a spark plug could be copyright infringement,  but can certainly imagine how tinkering with the code in a computer might be  (albeit still undesirable)


Undesirable... I don't think so, I do it all the time. It is quite desirable. Why should I pay $600 for key when with the manipulation of a couple of bytes I can add any key I want?




I mean undesirable for that to become copyright infringement (i.e. it would be undesirable to stop you from doing what you want to do)


Ahh, indeed.

However anyone want to bet there will be strict laws around reprograming self driving cars? The bloody things will no doubt phone home and call your insurance company and the "CPU police" at the same time




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  #1288323 21-Apr-2015 10:37
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freitasm: 
And if TTP is passed expect this kind of madness to apply everywhere in signatory countries...




I'd love to know the actual chances of this happening. Because it's all behind closed doors, we have no idea how our government is responding. But having an agreement that allows overseas corporate interests to sue our government if it doesn't like our laws... how can that possibly be considered a good thing? I also understand it will have a significant negative effect on Pharmac, and the availability of cheap prescription medicine.

It really seems like a lose, lose deal for us. If it is passed, can a future government then opt us out of it?

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  #1288324 21-Apr-2015 10:37
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For many years now the home of fast red cars, Italy, has banned car modifications.

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  #1288326 21-Apr-2015 10:39
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mdooher:
NonprayingMantis:
mdooher:
NonprayingMantis: assume this applies only to the computer related components of the car?

Can't imagine how changing a spark plug could be copyright infringement,  but can certainly imagine how tinkering with the code in a computer might be  (albeit still undesirable)


Undesirable... I don't think so, I do it all the time. It is quite desirable. Why should I pay $600 for key when with the manipulation of a couple of bytes I can add any key I want?




I mean undesirable for that to become copyright infringement (i.e. it would be undesirable to stop you from doing what you want to do)


Ahh, indeed.

However anyone want to bet there will be strict laws around reprograming self driving cars? The bloody things will no doubt phone home and call your insurance company and the "CPU police" at the same time


I expect so.  To be fair though, I'm not sure I want anybody to be able to tinker too much with self-drive cars.  The potential for calamity is enormous.

i.e. tinkering with PC software only really harms the user of that software. If you want to take the risk of using 'unofficial' software, then it only really hurts you if it turns out to be malware and/or badly coded

If my PC crashes, it's a minor inconvenience to me
If my Car crashes it's an enormous inconvenience to me, and potentially deadly for me and many other people.

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