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#2824491 4-Dec-2021 22:13

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Yep, Intent is MUCH safer than giving the bowler encouragement and just letting the fielding team flood catchers around him, how long will he last doing that? and how many runs will he score? if he faces 60 balls and scores 5 and gets out, whats the point, at least if he scores 30-35 he has done something. but more likely if he scores runs the catchers go and the bowler has to find another line.

There is no assessing 5 down. This is it. Either of these get out its all over, period. NZ have to get to the follow on. It looks a lost cause, but thats not the legacy Mcullum left this team. FIGHT!

I never said do nothing why doyou keep massaging comments? Take the runs offered, defend the rest. But going after runs might be safer..........risk free....

Scoring 30-35 means nothing now, and well before now.

McCullums legacy was to be positive and go for the dream. If your ability isnt up to it, a BMC speech wont help much

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#2824492 4-Dec-2021 22:14

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Somerville is very much a FULL time spinner selection, hes only in the team to bowl. So comparing them is to show how badly he bowled, first and now 2nd test. Its simply his line. If you look at the map, hes bowling 3 wickets too far towards leg, which with his spin isnt going to do anything but provide runs.

And there we go, in defense, wicket.

So NZ will be asked to follow on and need to score 500 odd to save the test. EEEK.

Wasn't aware Somerville is now a permanent fixture in this team

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#2824493 4-Dec-2021 22:16

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And there we go, in defense, wicket.

Ive seen many defensive shots remain defended, Ive seen many attacking shots lose a wicket. So, one shot defines your narrative? That we aren't up to Indian bowlers on an India track must be incorrect.

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#2824495 4-Dec-2021 22:23

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I never said do nothing why doyou keep massaging comments?

Scoring 30-35 means nothing now, and well before now.

I am refering to the team when I say do nothing. I dont reply to you directly, Im refering to the team.

Scoring 30-35 is always better than 5. But more than likely at this level, if one of the 4 who were remaining capable batsmen all score 30-35, at least one of them will likely go on and score a big 50 or maybe a 100. So it wasnt all over at that point. Indian commentary repeating what Im saying. I think its obvious you always have to try to dominate no matter the situation. There is no blocking out the indian cricket team, that just makes them more lethal/accurate, playing into their hands and how they want you to play. Always do what the opposition least want you too.

Im expecting the tail will do just that. We might get to 100 and have to bat again, geeze I hope we can score 320 with both innings. Will be a shame NZ wont get a chance to fix the poor bowling, especially Somers who I think will be looking at this line from Ind and rethinking where hes been pitching it.

I said it was passed NZ at around 260 and this is why.

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#2824497 4-Dec-2021 22:30

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wont get a chance to fix the poor bowling, especially Somers

Says it all. Probably say the same withSouthee and KJ. And the batsmen who failed. The opposing team and the track clearly are too much for us on this occasion.

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#2824499 4-Dec-2021 22:37

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Ive seen many defensive shots remain defended, Ive seen many attacking shots lose a wicket. So, one shot defines your narrative? That we aren't up to Indian bowlers on an India track must be incorrect.

What? Its like you just enjoy arguing the obvious and something that is known, which is not mine or any cricketers "narrative" defined off a single ball, what crazy logic to bend the situation and make it "my" narrative.

And if you think most NZ wickets were lost attacking, you are watching another match. Latham was the only one who played a bad offensive shot, the shot was ok, but he needed to roll the wrists on it for a single. The rest have all been in defense.

I think Im done for the day replying to you, it just gets nonsense talk about obvious situations for the sake of it haha.

Would love to see NZ hold on for 120 runs here, so unlikely, but you never know. But pretty much a done deal regardless. I said once Ind got to 260+ it was going to be Miraculous from NZ here to save the test on a seam friendly and spin friendly wicket.

But, just keep taking the easy ones and who knows.....

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#2824501 4-Dec-2021 22:40

And there we go, in attack, wicket.

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#2824502 4-Dec-2021 22:43

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tdgeek:

Ive seen many defensive shots remain defended, Ive seen many attacking shots lose a wicket. So, one shot defines your narrative? That we aren't up to Indian bowlers on an India track must be incorrect.

What? Its like you just enjoy arguing the obvious and something that is known, which is not mine or any cricketers "narrative" defined off a single ball, what crazy logic to bend the situation and make it "my" narrative.

And if you think most NZ wickets were lost attacking, you are watching another match. Latham was the only one who played a bad offensive shot, the shot was ok, but he needed to roll the wrists on it for a single. The rest have all been in defense.

I think Im done for the day replying to you, it just gets nonsense talk haha.

Would love to see NZ hold on for 120 runs here, so unlikely, but you never know. But pretty much a done deal regardless. I said once Ind got to 260+ it was going to be Miraculous from NZ here to save the test on a seam friendly and spin friendly wicket.

But, just keep taking the easy ones and who knows.....

You go on that defence gets wickets, then a defended shot gets a wicket,so you get your justification.

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#2824507 4-Dec-2021 22:43

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And there we go, in attack, wicket.

Ok your version of attack is VERY "interesting" to say the least. he was looking to cover it defensively and it bounced higher than expected and change of line caught the player out, so he tries to work it leg side. Thats not attack. That is poking at the ball.

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#2824508 4-Dec-2021 22:44

End of the day this is sport not some Utopia to suit what anyone wants, and when its not achieved, blame blame blame

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#2824509 4-Dec-2021 22:47

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End of the day this is sport not some Utopia to suit what anyone wants, and when its not achieved, blame blame blame

Cricket is a VERY analytical sport. Its not really about blame, but analysing why things work or they fail. Its a very polarising sport on selections, other team sports like Rugby you can spread reasoning much wider, or blame, but with cricket the reasons why things fail or why they work are polarised.

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#2824510 4-Dec-2021 22:49

I know one thing the Aussie batsmen would do here, they would move their stance toward the catchers, which puts the bowler further down leg, then just pull back inside the delivery, or if on stumps play it for what it is. But that is Steve Smith level stuff.

Jamo so far just playing the ball on merit, blocking the ball that cant be hit and putting away the ones that can for a single and the odd boundary.

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#2824511 4-Dec-2021 22:55

Wow, well done Somers to get that bat down so fast, because that was an excellent take and fast stumping. I thought gooone live.

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#2824513 4-Dec-2021 22:58

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Cricket is a VERY analytical sport. Its not really about blame, but analysing why things work or they fail. Its a very polarising sport on selections, other team sports like Rugby you can spread reasoning much wider, or blame, but with cricket the reasons why things fail or why they work are polarised.

The only polarising is in this thread by you. Ive not seen anyone else get wound up when their pet player isnt picked or if Santner is picked. Its the same every year, as is that the coaches are wrong if they didnt pick who you wanted. You seem to know more than the coaches and also how to give the players instruction on playing.

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#2824516 4-Dec-2021 23:05

Im not responding to that. Wagner is not a pet player, he is the player MOST people expected and wanted to be selected and the fastest left hand bowler to 200 wickets in the world, 1 behind Hadlee to 100 and a bounce specialist not selected on a BOUNCE wicket...... As for Santner, I will stand by an all rounder needs to be above or below 30 minimum bat/bowl, a genuine all rounder is both. Ajaz for me shows the worth of a dedicated spinner.

Oh dang I responded.

64 more runs, Jamo and Somers handling it. I hope we dont run out of batsmen, but seems a big total from here.

DAMN, now that was a stupid offensive shot, was defending with ease and holes out for 0 off 25, oh Somers. Been a tough tour for you. Did very well as night watchmen first test, he can take that positive.

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