Novak Djokovic's entry to Australia rejected, tennis star to be flown out later today

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#2851700 16-Jan-2022 20:35

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We agree on that. Its about the entire situation not the unlikeable personalities that are part of it. I think TA got some form of assurance from whoever, State or Federal Govt. But the commentary seems to have revolved around one person, and little about the rest, although it was earlier

Tennis Australia got no such assurance. They were told in very specific terms by the Health Minister six months ago that prior COVID infection is not considered a medical contraindication to vaccination, and would not be acceptable as a substitute for vaccination.

So, on who's advice did ND get on a plane expecting to be allowed to play in the open. Seems unlikely he just randomly thought he'd try his luck.

because everywhere else he has been allowed to play so why wouldnt he think he could just carry on as normal. all he had to do, like every other tennis player, was get vaccinated so all of this is his fault.

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#2851701 16-Jan-2022 20:35

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So, on who's advice did ND get on a plane expecting to be allowed to play in the open. Seems unlikely he just randomly thought he'd try his luck.

I disagree that it's unlikely he just randomly thought he'd try his luck given that his agent made several errors in the declaration, including leaving out an entire country in his travel history, but it wouldn't surprise me if Tennis Australia said "she'll be right".

Still, whether it was intentional or not, if you make a false declaration the penalty is at least what would have occurred if you made the correct declaration (for the sake of argument I'll proceed as if his assertion of his COVID vaccination status or exemption thereof was made in good faith). In this case if answered factually he would not have been permitted to enter the country. All this does is return events to where they should be if no incorrect information was presented.

If he had any sense, after his last visa cancellation was quashed he should have immediately left Australia so he had no visa to cancel! Now he has an "adverse decision" recorded which sucks for getting into a lot of other countries.

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#2851709 16-Jan-2022 20:47

The good thing is that Aussie's don't have to pay his stupid legal bills. I would suspect they would be massive. ha ha NoVax

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#2851712 16-Jan-2022 20:55

Kyanar:

I disagree that it's unlikely he just randomly thought he'd try his luck given that his agent made several errors in the declaration, including leaving out an entire country in his travel history, but it wouldn't surprise me if Tennis Australia said "she'll be right".

Still, whether it was intentional or not, if you make a false declaration the penalty is at least what would have occurred if you made the correct declaration (for the sake of argument I'll proceed as if his assertion of his COVID vaccination status or exemption thereof was made in good faith). In this case if answered factually he would not have been permitted to enter the country. All this does is return events to where they should be if no incorrect information was presented.

If he had any sense, after his last visa cancellation was quashed he should have immediately left Australia so he had no visa to cancel! Now he has an "adverse decision" recorded which sucks for getting into a lot of other countries.

I doubt that.

Given the third party influences, of which you mentioned two, I doubt other countries will make it difficult. They may well make it easy, to avoid being tarred with the same brush that TA's event may well become. Boos on the court or no No.1 on court. It was a lose/lose event for TA. They could have simply said, you cant bypass MIQ, so get vaxxed or come sooner. possibly as simple as that. Choose A or B or stay home

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#2851713 16-Jan-2022 21:01

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Kyanar:

I disagree that it's unlikely he just randomly thought he'd try his luck given that his agent made several errors in the declaration, including leaving out an entire country in his travel history, but it wouldn't surprise me if Tennis Australia said "she'll be right".

Still, whether it was intentional or not, if you make a false declaration the penalty is at least what would have occurred if you made the correct declaration (for the sake of argument I'll proceed as if his assertion of his COVID vaccination status or exemption thereof was made in good faith). In this case if answered factually he would not have been permitted to enter the country. All this does is return events to where they should be if no incorrect information was presented.

If he had any sense, after his last visa cancellation was quashed he should have immediately left Australia so he had no visa to cancel! Now he has an "adverse decision" recorded which sucks for getting into a lot of other countries.

I doubt that.

Given the third party influences, of which you mentioned two, I doubt other countries will make it difficult. They may well make it easy, to avoid being tarred with the same brush that TA's event may well become. Boos on the court or no No.1 on court. It was a lose/lose event for TA. They could have simply said, you cant bypass MIQ, so get vaxxed or come sooner. possibly as simple as that. Choose A or B or stay home

It’ll definitely create problems for him. Serbia isn’t a Schengen country. His professional travel will be somewhat impacted but travel for personal reasons will become quite difficult.

You do not want to have to answer immigration questions about being previously deported.

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#2851715 16-Jan-2022 21:04

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I doubt that.

Given the third party influences, of which you mentioned two, I doubt other countries will make it difficult. They may well make it easy, to avoid being tarred with the same brush that TA's event may well become. Boos on the court or no No.1 on court. It was a lose/lose event for TA. They could have simply said, you cant bypass MIQ, so get vaxxed or come sooner. possibly as simple as that. Choose A or B or stay home

None of that is relevant. Many countries ask the question in a visa application if you have ever been refused a visa, had a visa cancelled, or had an adverse decision made against you. He cannot legally answer "no" to that question any more, so he (or his staff, really) will have a much more frustrating time applying for visas in future as they cannot be automatically approved like what currently happens.

As to all your mentions of HQ, that is not an option available to non-citizens and non-residents. Entry is conditional on being vaccinated or contraindicated with a negative PCR (or now RA) test. Quarantine becomes available as an option later on this year (though it will be a home quarantine program, hotel quarantine is winding down).

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#2851717 16-Jan-2022 21:06

Djokovic statement

"I would like to make a brief statement to address the outcomes of today’s Court hearing. I will now be taking some time to rest and to recuperate, before making any further comments beyond this.

"I am extremely disappointed with the Court ruling to dismiss my application for judicial review of the Minister’s decision to cancel my visa, which means I cannot stay in Australia and participate in the Australian Open.

"I respect the Court’s ruling and I will cooperate with the relevant authorities in relation to my departure from the country.

"I am uncomfortable that the focus of the past weeks has been on me and I hope that we can all now focus on the game and tournament I love. I would like to wish the players, tournament officials, staff, volunteers and fans all the best for the tournament.

"Finally, I would like to thank my family, friends, team, supporters, fans and my fellow Serbians for your continued support. You have all been a great source of strength to me."

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#2851719 16-Jan-2022 21:06

Kyanar:
networkn:

So, on who's advice did ND get on a plane expecting to be allowed to play in the open. Seems unlikely he just randomly thought he'd try his luck.

I disagree that it's unlikely he just randomly thought he'd try his luck given that his agent made several errors in the declaration, including leaving out an entire country in his travel history, but it wouldn't surprise me if Tennis Australia said "she'll be right".

This isn’t a very credible position. He only confirmed travel on receipt of a vaccine excemption. Given the trouble that TA and the Victorian government went to setup a medical panel using anonymised assessment it seems unlikely to be the case.

It seems more likely that they were told it was ok, until it wasn’t.

Tennis Australia would be in a no win position by trying to skirt the rules and it would make little sense to do so.

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#2851725 16-Jan-2022 21:14

Handle9:

This isn’t a very credible position. He only confirmed travel on receipt of a vaccine excemption. Given the trouble that TA and the Victorian government went to setup a medical panel using anonymised assessment it seems unlikely to be the case.

It seems more likely that they were told it was ok, until it wasn’t.

Tennis Australia would be in a no win position by trying to skirt the rules and it would make little sense to do so.

And you would be wrong. Tennis Australia was told in no uncertain terms by the Health Minister that prior infection would not qualify an unvaccinated traveller to enter Australia. Here is a copy of that letter.

But that's not the point, he failed to mention a trip to Spain in the declaration of his last two week's travel history. That's not just a mistake, leaving out entire countries that recently is definitely intentional.

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#2851779 16-Jan-2022 21:28

Kyanar:
Handle9:

This isn’t a very credible position. He only confirmed travel on receipt of a vaccine excemption. Given the trouble that TA and the Victorian government went to setup a medical panel using anonymised assessment it seems unlikely to be the case.

It seems more likely that they were told it was ok, until it wasn’t.

Tennis Australia would be in a no win position by trying to skirt the rules and it would make little sense to do so.

And you would be wrong. Tennis Australia was told in no uncertain terms by the Health Minister that prior infection would not qualify an unvaccinated traveller to enter Australia. Here is a copy of that letter.

But that's not the point, he failed to mention a trip to Spain in the declaration of his last two week's travel history. That's not just a mistake, leaving out entire countries that recently is definitely intentional.

That is one letter. What we don’t have is the balance of the correspondence. Tennis Australia had nothing to gain by saying “she’ll be right”.

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#2851782 16-Jan-2022 21:38

Handle9:

That is one letter. What we don’t have is the balance of the correspondence. Tennis Australia had nothing to gain by saying “she’ll be right”.

No, it's two letters. From two different entities. I don't know why you constantly feel like you have to "but what if" every post, but it's kind of annoying.

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#2851784 16-Jan-2022 21:48

Kyanar:
Handle9:

That is one letter. What we don’t have is the balance of the correspondence. Tennis Australia had nothing to gain by saying “she’ll be right”.

No, it's two letters. From two different entities. I don't know why you constantly feel like you have to "but what if" every post, but it's kind of annoying.

You are painting something as quite black and white when it’s not.

Regardless I think we’re done here.

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#2851786 16-Jan-2022 21:52

So what would have happened if this occured in NZ?

I reckon we would have caved, came up with some political spin supported by an 'expert' to say he was a low risk, and the benefits to the country outweighed the risk.

One thing you can say about the Aussies, they make the hard decisions and stick to them.

Lazy is such an ugly word, I prefer to call it selective participation

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#2851801 16-Jan-2022 22:37

Handle9:
Beccara:
And he's gone

It was inevitable. Its a shame it got to this, it could have been avoided in many ways.

By not being a liar and anti-vaxxer.

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#2851822 17-Jan-2022 06:41

scuwp: So what would have happened if this occured in NZ?

I reckon we would have caved, came up with some political spin supported by an 'expert' to say he was a low risk, and the benefits to the country outweighed the risk.

One thing you can say about the Aussies, they make the hard decisions and stick to them.

i'm not sure. we seem to have a hard stance on vaccination. we've sacked thousands of critically needed healthcare staff during a time of significant staff shortage, including specialists etc.

our exemption process goes through one person, not multiple "boards"

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