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#2830469 11-Dec-2021 18:03

tdgeek:

Im an RBR fan, a team that has won with lesser gear. This year, win or lose, they have done that with lesser gear. But as a sports fan, I disregard those that are just a fan of the winning player/team, and flip flop as required.

No idea what you're on about

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#2830485 11-Dec-2021 18:18

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Hopefully both get taken out on the first lap. If not I fear Lewis is going to drive off into the distance and then talk about how much better the RedBull was this weekend and all year, and talk about how it was the hardest race of his life and that he had to dig deep and use all his skill to drive the sweeping straights.

Now I just want Max to win to annoy all those UK journalists who absolutely hate him all of a sudden.

Can't deny that this championship has been the best thing for F1 in a decade or so.

Bolded, yep! Its a bit painful. Having seen how he has driven over the years, and his comments, IMHO, what he says now is highly predictable, and PR written. Same every week.

Some great trivia. (I only watch the pre FP and late FP, but last race Im watching every minute of all sessions)

For the races that Lewis and Max finished, they have raced 300km short of a London to New York flight. The teams are based 15 miles apart. The cars are a world apart, in terms of hp and grip and design. Yet over 5200km of racing, Max's season race times are just 9 seconds faster than Lewis's over the season. What an awesome stat

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#2830486 11-Dec-2021 18:19

Batman:

tdgeek:

Im an RBR fan, a team that has won with lesser gear. This year, win or lose, they have done that with lesser gear. But as a sports fan, I disregard those that are just a fan of the winning player/team, and flip flop as required.

No idea what you're on about

Self explanatory. Based on 9 months of posts.

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#2830488 11-Dec-2021 18:22

Batman:

I was a Max fan until last weekend. But now I'm a Bottas fan this weekend, Gasly if he gets a RB seat.

9 months of posts doesn't show that LOL. But I guess flexibility is ok... Are you the sane with AB's matches???

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#2830489 11-Dec-2021 18:27

Batman:

I think Gasly has put a strong case to take Perez seat next year.

I agree with that 100%. Perez is a very good driver, but thats all he is. Many others are as well. No idea about Bottas, as his finishes are scripted. Perez after a bedding in period, and allowing for Max being arguably the best driver on the grid, needed to be within 3/10 every session , but he hasn't been. Gasly has grown a lot, like Max, he is outdriving the car. Perez at his age, wont improve. Cancel him, Gasly goes to RBR and add new blood.

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#2830499 11-Dec-2021 20:05

Batman: This would be the best case scenario so my preferred winners can win. Gasly and Bottas won't be allowed to fight if the top dogs are running. I think Gasly has put a strong case to take Perez seat next year.

Yeah RB have a real problem with their second seat. Numerous drivers, with natural talent, just haven't been able to drive the car that has been designed to suit Max's driving style, or handled the pressure of being in one of the big teams.

Imagine Gasly in a better car again to see what he can do. Perhaps RB promoted him too early, and he was too eager to prove himself. Anyhow he's come alive now and driving that car so so well.

I'd like to see Vettel return to RB though instead. I think he's still a talented driver, has the maturity and look at all his overtakes. He could wind down his career in a support role and driving for the constructors title. Gasly needs to be at Ferrari perhaps as he could well be a future world champion and won't be in the same team as Max. Might not be with Charles either...

Bottas on the other had has been close enough to Lewis for years consistently, getting poles and the occasional win. But a bit of a push over and just a wingman. No wonder Lewis considers him the best teammate ever. But from a all aspects driver pov, Hamilton is miles ahead of him and never gives up, lap after lap total focus. Bottas gives up after a few poor laps and disappears down the field.

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#2830578 12-Dec-2021 10:56

Well it will shape up for an interesting evening (for a Honda fan). I may even get up and watch it live.

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#2830644 12-Dec-2021 11:58

Yes, its a shake up alright. But the reality is Mercedes are a faster car and this is a power circuit. Its about the cars not the drivers.

Merc have what they consider is the optimal setup, RBR have a compromised setup to artificially add straight line speed. Thats likely to compromise aero grip which will compromise tyre wear and temp.

RBR's lap seems to have exceeded Mercedes, after allowing for the tow. Down to RBR's tyre wear now with the lower wing. Soft and a long hard stint perhaps. Maybe RBR do a Mercedes and go soft medium and soft to ace the last stint

Lando awesome. What happened to Bottas?

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#2830645 12-Dec-2021 12:00

For those who have access to BBC iPlayer and have no other way to watch, I understand that Sky UK have done a deal to allow it to be shown on BBC Channel 4.

Sometimes I just sit and think. Other times I just sit.

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#2830681 12-Dec-2021 13:51

Just watched the post Quali. Really interesting watching Karun's side by side on Max's and Lewis's lap.

1. The tow was largely a non event, it gained a few feet, a couple of metres maybe. Backed up by his Q3 lap, , was running the same time till that he backed out of it

2. Max had more grip than Lewis, thats where most of the lap delta came from

Maybe softs will be ok at night, Maybe Lewis's mediums my or may not be 100% ideal at nigh (if assuming its ideal for the softs) , given that quali and the race are about the same time/track temp.

Interesting. But what surprises me is RBR low wing compromises grip, but at night it hasn't by the looks.

(PS no posts here after quali. Whenever Max wins/gets pole, there are no posts. Every time. Thats more reliable than a Rolex watch :-) )

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#2830814 12-Dec-2021 15:36

I think you're right with your earlier comments re tyre wear, going to get real interesting towards the ends of the stints!

Lando has done some great starts, so I think both Max and Lewis are at risk of getting out dragged to the first corner/bend. We've seen at Monza, I think, that the Maclaren is very quick on power circuits.

Wow, couldn't have asked for a better scenario for the final race though, hopefully it's a cracker of a race!

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#2830822 12-Dec-2021 17:16

insane: I think you're right with your earlier comments re tyre wear, going to get real interesting towards the ends of the stints!

Lando has done some great starts, so I think both Max and Lewis are at risk of getting out dragged to the first corner/bend. We've seen at Monza, I think, that the Maclaren is very quick on power circuits.

Wow, couldn't have asked for a better scenario for the final race though, hopefully it's a cracker of a race!

if only there is alternate commentary. i cannot stand crofty who commentate in support of only british drivers.

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#2830956 12-Dec-2021 19:00

Batman:

if only there is alternate commentary. i cannot stand crofty who commentate in support of only british drivers.

Yeah, that goes for all of them. I get patriotism, but they are media providers. The FP sessions were all about Lewis mainly and Max to a lesser degree. I thought there were other drivers, but having watched every minute of all sessions Im not so sure

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#2830958 12-Dec-2021 19:09

insane: I think you're right with your earlier comments re tyre wear, going to get real interesting towards the ends of the stints!

Lando has done some great starts, so I think both Max and Lewis are at risk of getting out dragged to the first corner/bend. We've seen at Monza, I think, that the Maclaren is very quick on power circuits.

Wow, couldn't have asked for a better scenario for the final race though, hopefully it's a cracker of a race!

Im an RBR fan, and a Max fan, but overall Im into sport. A great sporting event, im fine with the result, win lose or draw.

Lando, George are really top notch. Lando has proven that, George not yet, but he looks the goods. In GP or F2 i didnt like Lando as he was a whiner, but I take that back as he is delivery in spades.

Max and Lewis there are a raft of risks and rewards. I expect Lewis to win as he has the power car, and the ideal starting tyre, whereas RBR/Max are well behind the eight ball, and trying to artificially manufacture speed to counteract Mercedes who are running the ideal strategy.

Ive seen many races that ere hyped up, only to dissolve on turn 1, hope thats not the case.

With McLaren improving, George getting a real car, and Honda improving, can't wait for the pre season tests.

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#2830979 12-Dec-2021 20:21

insane:

Lando has done some great starts, so I think both Max and Lewis are at risk of getting out dragged to the first corner/bend.

If I was Andreas Seidle or Zac Brown I'd be telling Lando to absolutely send one on the start/opening lap! The last thing either Hamilton or Verstappen want is to be losing the race on the first corner. Better to lose a position and fight for the title than lose the championship. Norris can use that to his advantage and be the aggressor. And Norris is a clean racer so wont do anything utterly ridiculous. Its worth the risk for him. The win doesn't matter to Lewis or Verstappen - they're just interested in beating each other. I hope Norris goes for it - he's deserved a win this year (Russia and Belgium spring to mind).

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