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  #3456626 28-Jan-2026 09:26
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Earbanean:

 

You've latched on to Scott Idiot Stevenson's' rant about this and gone on to state as fact here (an earlier) that Smith wasn't involved in the review.  However, have you, or anyone, seen any actual evidence that he wasn't involved in any way?  Yes, we all know he said he was blindsided by the OUTCOME of the review, but that doesn't necessarily mean he wasn't involved in it.  I imagine a number of people involved in the review would have been blindsided by the result - Scott Barrett, Scott Hansen, etc. 

 

Personally, I don't know whether or not he was involved - but you're making statements of fact about this.  So, please feel free to back up your statements with some actual evidence (given this is Geekzone and all).

 

 

Well, this doesn't say as much as you are asking, but it's pretty clear where Wayne Smith believes the situation was at : 

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/all-blacks-sir-wayne-smith-blindsided-by-scott-robertsons-sacking/JFUIQ3XWUZDTJGSQYF2LQNUGJY/

 

“Unfortunately, Razor hasn’t been given more time, greater opportunity to adapt and overcome many of the challenges new All Blacks coaches face,” Smith said.

 

Smith said from his time working with Robertson, he was more than capable of leading them towards the 2027 Rugby World Cup.

 

“I actually found Razor and his coaches to be extremely competent around their roles,” Smith said.

 

“Progress is often slow when you take over as a new AB coaching group. You learn as you go. Nothing truly prepares you for it.

 

 

 

I will look through my history tonight if I get home in time, I did see some comment in an article not from Scotty Stevenson saying he wasn't invited to participate in the review. Scotty Stevenson is one of the worst commentators I've had to listen to, but he isn't known for saying things that blatantly wrong, that's how you get sued. 

 

You've latched on to the fact David Kirk said it wasn't a player revolt. In order to say that truthfully, all he has to do is have another label he prefers to use instead of revolt.  If it comes down to it, I'd take Wayne Smiths word over Kirks. 

 

But, let me be clear. If Robertson had to go, he had to go. Within reason (Rennie and Eddie being my only two hard no's), I don't mind who takes us to the RWC. I want what's best for the AB's and for NZ Rugby. I think we have cooked any chance of a decent result in SA and of winning the RWC, simply because changing coaches mid cycle isn't usually a good idea. People suggesting that JJ is going to be our saving grace are choosing to ignore his most recent 5 years of coaching, which has been disappointing. He might be able to do better than Razer, time will tell, but I feel trying to find a decent coach mid cycle. I'm struggling to see how a change of coach puts us in better stead right now, as opposed to changes ala Fosters mid cycle review.

 

 

 

 




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  #3456648 28-Jan-2026 11:09
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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks-coaching-shake-up-case-for-a-joseph-rennie-and-foster-trio/premium/ZTJQLSR55BBOLMMJTPTIKYPAF4/

 

In what is another triumph for decisive decision-making and clear communication, New Zealand Rugby (NZR) has stated that any New Zealander with previous experience as a head coach of an international team will be invited to apply – parameters that reduce the eligible candidates to Joseph (Japan), Rennie (Australia), John Mitchell (New Zealand), Robbie Deans (Australia), Ian Foster (New Zealand), Warren Gatland (Ireland and Wales), Joe Schmidt (Ireland and Australia) and Vern Cotter (Scotland and Fiji).

 

Obvs Schmidt, Vern Cotter aren't options. 

 

I don't absolutely hate the idea of JJ and Ian Foster together. I don't mind the idea of Foster looking after the AB's for 2 years. 


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  #3456657 28-Jan-2026 11:29
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The speculation of every possible permutation of coaches will continue until we actually get some real news.  Joseph and Rennie working together, possibly with Foster, is interesting.  However, I vaguely remember Rennie being asked to join Steve Hansen's ABs coaching team years ago and think he declined because he saw himself as a head coach.  So not sure if he'd now be keen to work under Joseph.  

 

I'm sure Foster would add a lot to a team as an assistant (attack?) coach.  However, IMO he'd be crazy to put himself through all this again - especially since he's got a good gig in Japan.




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  #3456664 28-Jan-2026 12:10
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networkn:

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks-coaching-shake-up-case-for-a-joseph-rennie-and-foster-trio/premium/ZTJQLSR55BBOLMMJTPTIKYPAF4/

 

In what is another triumph for decisive decision-making and clear communication, New Zealand Rugby (NZR) has stated that any New Zealander with previous experience as a head coach of an international team will be invited to apply – parameters that reduce the eligible candidates to Joseph (Japan), Rennie (Australia), John Mitchell (New Zealand), Robbie Deans (Australia), Ian Foster (New Zealand), Warren Gatland (Ireland and Wales), Joe Schmidt (Ireland and Australia) and Vern Cotter (Scotland and Fiji).

 

Obvs Schmidt, Vern Cotter aren't options. 

 

I don't absolutely hate the idea of JJ and Ian Foster together. I don't mind the idea of Foster looking after the AB's for 2 years. 

 



Hey - Don't forget John Kirwan, who coached both Italy and Japan!





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  #3456669 28-Jan-2026 12:28
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We could go with.. 

 

Eddie Jones (Seen in Wellington in the last week apparently). 

 

Dave Rennie

 

John Kirwan 

 

Maaate!

 

 


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  #3456673 28-Jan-2026 12:44
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  #3456681 28-Jan-2026 13:55
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And the point you are trying to make is?

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  #3456711 28-Jan-2026 16:13
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LookingUp:

 

networkn:

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks-coaching-shake-up-case-for-a-joseph-rennie-and-foster-trio/premium/ZTJQLSR55BBOLMMJTPTIKYPAF4/

 

In what is another triumph for decisive decision-making and clear communication, New Zealand Rugby (NZR) has stated that any New Zealander with previous experience as a head coach of an international team will be invited to apply – parameters that reduce the eligible candidates to Joseph (Japan), Rennie (Australia), John Mitchell (New Zealand), Robbie Deans (Australia), Ian Foster (New Zealand), Warren Gatland (Ireland and Wales), Joe Schmidt (Ireland and Australia) and Vern Cotter (Scotland and Fiji).

 

Obvs Schmidt, Vern Cotter aren't options. 

 

I don't absolutely hate the idea of JJ and Ian Foster together. I don't mind the idea of Foster looking after the AB's for 2 years. 

 



Hey - Don't forget John Kirwan, who coached both Italy and Japan!

 

 

Or Kieran Crowley who could bring his assistant coach from Canada, Neil Barnes, with him.  Or Colin Cooper (surely the Māori All Blacks counts as an international team).


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  #3457517 31-Jan-2026 18:51
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And Mitchell's out. Staying with England's Red Roses. 


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  #3457825 2-Feb-2026 08:44
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There was an interesting opinion piece in the news end of last week, comparing Rennie with Joseph and their credentials/suitability for the ABs job.  It gave a fairly compelling case for Rennie.  If Joseph comes without Brown; and Smith and Schmidt are both gone (all of which seem certain), then I think I'm now falling into the Rennie camp. 

 

Obviously the overall team, with assistants etc, is critical and I have no idea who would be in his team.  I'd say he'd probably keep Ryan if Ryan was keen - and I'd be happy with that.  Maybe Joseph could even be an assistant, but possibly less likely.  Maybe McDonald? Anyway, it seems under the new approach, the whole coaching team doesn't need to be set before the decision is made, so we probably won't know until after the head coach is appointed.  That'll be another whole media frenzy speculation.


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  #3457832 2-Feb-2026 09:00
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Earbanean:

 

There was an interesting opinion piece in the news end of last week, comparing Rennie with Joseph and their credentials/suitability for the ABs job.  It gave a fairly compelling case for Rennie.  If Joseph comes without Brown; and Smith and Schmidt are both gone (all of which seem certain), then I think I'm now falling into the Rennie camp. 

 

Obviously the overall team, with assistants etc, is critical and I have no idea who would be in his team.  I'd say he'd probably keep Ryan if Ryan was keen - and I'd be happy with that.  Maybe Joseph could even be an assistant, but possibly less likely.  Maybe McDonald? Anyway, it seems under the new approach, the whole coaching team doesn't need to be set before the decision is made, so we probably won't know until after the head coach is appointed.  That'll be another whole media frenzy speculation.

 

 

I've talked about this before, but Rennies disclipline record excludes him from the job IMO. I don't want our AB's playing thugby. Every team he has coached has become less discliplined and usually the least discplined in their respective competition (most penalised and carded). The Chiefs and Wallabies are the most easy examples to point to.  What really did it for me, was him saying post match, that he thought Darcy Swains Cleanout of cuinn Tupea 'wasn't even a yellow card' after he was red carded. Tupea went on to spend nearly 2 years recovering, and you'd say, isn't the same as before. That is a disgraceful thing to say.  His win at all costs attitude isn't how I want our National team being led.  By all accounts he is a reasonable man manager, players like him.

 

I'm struggling to see how Rennie would be favoured on results. Australia under him had the worst win loss record in their history and went from I think 4th to 8th or 9th in the world. 


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  #3457833 2-Feb-2026 09:04
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I have a greater respect for Andy Farrell after he took decisive action to exclude Bundy Aki from the Ireland team for the 6N for his abuse of a referee. He did this before the governing bodies investigation was complete, based on his own investigation. This is leadership.  There is no shame in being definitive that particular things are unacceptable and more coaches need to be less scared to say so. 

 

SARU and Rassie's weak comments on Ebens gouging charge were a disgrace, just has been our own handling of thugs like Loe in the past. Certain actions should just get you serious consequences. The most important thing is intent. This leans in toward Rennie failing to condemn Swain post his match too. 

 

Overall, we just need our leaders to be showing clear leadership.

 

 


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  #3457847 2-Feb-2026 09:49
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networkn:

 

I've talked about this before, but Rennies disclipline record excludes him from the job IMO. I don't want our AB's playing thugby. Every team he has coached has become less discliplined and usually the least discplined in their respective competition (most penalised and carded). The Chiefs and Wallabies are the most easy examples to point to.  What really did it for me, was him saying post match, that he thought Darcy Swains Cleanout of cuinn Tupea 'wasn't even a yellow card' after he was red carded. Tupea went on to spend nearly 2 years recovering, and you'd say, isn't the same as before. That is a disgraceful thing to say.  His win at all costs attitude isn't how I want our National team being led.  By all accounts he is a reasonable man manager, players like him.

 

I'm struggling to see how Rennie would be favoured on results. Australia under him had the worst win loss record in their history and went from I think 4th to 8th or 9th in the world. 

 

 

I, and just about everyone discussing the coaching issue, don't see the discipline issue you have with Rennie.  His Chiefs sides took the Crusaders on at their own game up front and didn't back down to any intimidation.  They won 2 Super titles with that approach and I guess as a diehard eyepatcher, you weren't happy.  However, that doesn't make him a dirty coach - and just about everyone else seems to agree with me.  Remember Wayne Smith was an integral part of that Chiefs set up, so are you're saying he's dirty as well?

 

The Darcy Swain cheap shot was terrible and I'd never defend that, as with the various cheap shots by All Blacks or NZ Super players over the years.  However, Rennie was quoted as saying that it met the red card threshold and he got punished accordingly.  So I can't see him condoning it.


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  #3457854 2-Feb-2026 10:10
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Check the stats, Rennie sides are heavily penalised and most carded. It has nothing to do with eye patches. There was someone who did analysis of 3 years of cards and penalties in Super Rugby a few years back, Chiefs led the way.

 

Believe what you want. 


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  #3457901 2-Feb-2026 10:23
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networkn:

 

Check the stats, Rennie sides are heavily penalised and most carded. It has nothing to do with eye patches. There was someone who did analysis of 3 years of cards and penalties in Super Rugby a few years back, Chiefs led the way.

 

Believe what you want. 

 

 

When he had a chance to look at it, he is quoted as:  “It met the red card threshold and he got punished accordingly.”

 

Just because you can (supposedly) dig out some high penalty count from 13 years ago, I still don't think that makes Dave Rennie and Wayne Smith bad coaches.  The world seems to agree with me.


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