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#3437125 24-Nov-2025 14:00

Liam has regularly felt more suited to closed wheel racing where you can bump a bit. It's too risky to take that attitude into F1.

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#3437126 24-Nov-2025 14:02

Yeah, that is why Max is so damn good, what I'd call "highly controlled aggression". His move in turn 1 to get ahead of Lando was pinpoint perfect! Anticipating the driver ahead of you before that driver even knows it himself.

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#3437128 24-Nov-2025 14:27

Lando really did make a meal of turn 1, was too aggressive and was actually pretty lucky not to collide with Max there before failing to make the first corner.

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#3437129 24-Nov-2025 14:31

I get the first corner approach, he had the same issue in Brazil, he knows it's crucial he loses no places on lap one because the car has no outright advantage to actually gain places on the road.

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#3437134 24-Nov-2025 15:06

chimera:

Liam's already owned up to it saying it was his own fault.

I thought he was coming in too hot in the first corner - although racing karts myself I know the mental games your brain plays, not wanting to concede a place, but I think he needs to relent sometimes and think of the long game and the cars he's actually competing against in a tier 2 car (certainly not against McClaren). He just needs to score points (especially to secure a seat for next year) even if that means qualifying 6th and finishing 7th, better than not scoring points at all. He needs to stay a little more composed and keep showing he's a mature driver as he is pretty agrgessive, just like Max is.

Yeah no issue it was his fault, but having watched that a number of times, IMO he didnt come in too hot, or send it. George braked earlier than expected, it was pretty much a nothing incident, but his luck ran bad woth the damage

If you look at every incident in every race, that one goes into the boring minor basket, especially turn 1 incidents. He could be careful, race slower and safer, but that has no future.

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#3437135 24-Nov-2025 15:13

The stewards analyzed the collision, ultimately attributing fault to Lawson. However, they noted extenuating circumstances that led them to refrain from issuing a penalty. According to their statement:

“Car 30 [Lawson] made a move to the right and collided with car 81 [Piastri].”
In mitigation, Lawson was trying to avoid colliding with car 63 [Russell], who had locked up in an attempt to miss car 55 [Sainz].
Given that this incident occurred on the first lap at turn one, the stewards determined that no further action was warranted.

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#3437233 24-Nov-2025 17:34

Jaxson:

Lando really did make a meal of turn 1, was too aggressive and was actually pretty lucky not to collide with Max there before failing to make the first corner.

i'm not sure how Lando still doesn't know how to start races, but it's all moot because he got DQ-ed anyway

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#3437234 24-Nov-2025 17:38

Lando's reaction time is usually really good.
I did wonder if early on there was an issue with the car bogging down on launch.
Oscar got away really cleanly when he had his winning streak earlier in the year whereas Lando regularly fell into trouble despite quick reactions.

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#3437240 24-Nov-2025 18:17

Listening to a podcast today, they were saying Lando only did 3 of the 5 burnouts he was instructed to do (so therefore probably didn't have quite the planned tyre temp and pressures) and for most of the formation lap was more concerned with what Max was or wasn't doing than doing his own thing. So he needs to worry about himself before getting carried away with everyone else!

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#3437248 24-Nov-2025 19:43

tdgeek:

The stewards analyzed the collision, ultimately attributing fault to Lawson. However, they noted extenuating circumstances that led them to refrain from issuing a penalty. According to their statement:

“Car 30 [Lawson] made a move to the right and collided with car 81 [Piastri].”
In mitigation, Lawson was trying to avoid colliding with car 63 [Russell], who had locked up in an attempt to miss car 55 [Sainz].
Given that this incident occurred on the first lap at turn one, the stewards determined that no further action was warranted.

yep, fully aware of the stewards decision. but just saying that lawson still stood up and blamed himself for it. maybe he's trying to show RB he's not being a pussy blaming everyone else like tsunoda and hadjar do :-)

he does seem to be a lot more mature composed racer than hadjar, albeit a little less consistent. his only complaints seem to be due to marshals running across the track lol.

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#3437256 24-Nov-2025 20:31

chimera:

tdgeek:

The stewards analyzed the collision, ultimately attributing fault to Lawson. However, they noted extenuating circumstances that led them to refrain from issuing a penalty. According to their statement:

“Car 30 [Lawson] made a move to the right and collided with car 81 [Piastri].”
In mitigation, Lawson was trying to avoid colliding with car 63 [Russell], who had locked up in an attempt to miss car 55 [Sainz].
Given that this incident occurred on the first lap at turn one, the stewards determined that no further action was warranted.

yep, fully aware of the stewards decision. but just saying that lawson still stood up and blamed himself for it. maybe he's trying to show RB he's not being a pussy blaming everyone else like tsunoda and hadjar do :-)

he does seem to be a lot more mature composed racer than hadjar, albeit a little less consistent. his only complaints seem to be due to marshals running across the track lol.

Agree fully. What Im liking is the progression. Hadjar is supposedly the next best thing, everyone talks about him. He did dominate Liam but not heavily, just more consistent and solid. Over the season, Liam has been closer, especially the last few races, close to Hadjar or ahead. Quali has been a lot better

Definitely trending in the right direction, so if Hadjar is so wonderful, Liam is doing very well

His crew blamed George for avoiding Sainz, he could have used that as the excuse, but he still owned it. Its hard to see this progress being overlooked for 2026, and thats not a Kiwi bias. Red Bull being Red Bull, they discard Yuki, bring Lindblad in and bed in him and Liam

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#3437314 24-Nov-2025 23:40

The "problem" that Red Bull will have with Hadjar is that he has an even shorter fuse than Tsunoda. Several examples of him losing the plot in the car when things haven't gone his way, both in junior formulas and this season in the RB.

At this point it's hard to bet against Wache's 2026 car being any easier to drive. What happens when Hadjar gets behind the wheel and finds he has largely the same problems as Tsunoda, or is expected to run alternative race strategies to provide data for Verstappen's side of the garage?

The existing evidence suggests he won't take that well unless he modifies his attitude. Might be a case of better the devil you know with Tsunoda next season, at least initially. Another issue for RB is, assuming their car is about as competitive next season, who is going to replace the Hadjar points if he goes to Red Bull.

You'd hope Lawson will step up somewhat next season if he's still there but a P5-6 WCC finish, and the accompanying prizemoney, might be a long way off with no Hadjar at the team.

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#3437433 25-Nov-2025 13:09

I'm struggling to enjoy F1 with a kiwi racing, I love it that NZ has someone racing but its too much of an emotional roller-coaster when he doesn't do well. Previous years i couldn't give a monkey's who won and who lost just enjoyed the racing and if my favorite foreign racer didn't do well it didn't really bother me the way it does when Lawson has a shocker.

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#3437435 25-Nov-2025 13:26

langi27:

I'm struggling to enjoy F1 with a kiwi racing, I love it that NZ has someone racing but its too much of an emotional roller-coaster when he doesn't do well. Previous years i couldn't give a monkey's who won and who lost just enjoyed the racing and if my favorite foreign racer didn't do well it didn't really bother me the way it does when Lawson has a shocker.

I disagree, but I get you. His quali not good, bummer. Makes a mistake or gets hit not from his fault, bummer.

However, I now see it in more context. The issues that occur in any one race are many, from many drivers, its part and parcel of running 1000hp cars that are 5 metres long and 2 wide in a confined space. He has shown he can be a decent driver, and he has closed in on Hadjar, the next big thing, second half of the season,, so all in all he's going fine. Less feisty, more consistent, but because we follow him, it stick out more when it goes bad, or it goes great.

IMO turn 1 at LV was just the usual turn 1 incident that happens every race, with mitigating factors, thats life in the fast lane, literally.

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#3437901 27-Nov-2025 08:12

Newey to actually run all of Aston Martin next year!

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