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https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/01/letting-slower-passengers-board-airplane-first-really-is-faster-study-finds/





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  #2400325 17-Jan-2020 08:04
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Allow me to introduce you folks to our new travel community: TravelTalk NZ.

 

We hope to see you there!

 





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  #2400370 17-Jan-2020 08:13
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It's kinda funny. It didn't seem long after they did some tests on mythbusters that all of a sudden they were dual loading both J* and ANZ via front/rear doors where they could.

 

Obviously it's a contention to make sure they get off gate times so now try what they can to improve.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/mythbusters-airlines-are-boarding-their-planes-all-wrong-2014-9?r=US&IR=T


 
 
 
 


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  #2400393 17-Jan-2020 09:11
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While all these formulas are great the simple fact is none factor in carry on baggage so really can't be applied to the US market which is very different to a country like NZ. If you've ever flown in the US you'll know people literally do take their kitchen sink with them - people take excessive amounts of carry on and on many flights it's not uncommon for bags to end up having to be checked on boarding once they run out of overhead bin space.

 

Because you have zone based boarding many people often don't end up with their bags directly above them on a plane so the whole boarding (and subsequent leaving the plane) simply becomes a nightmare.

 

 

 

 


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  #2400464 17-Jan-2020 10:06
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While all these formulas are great the simple fact is none factor in carry on baggage so really can't be applied to the US market which is very different to a country like NZ. If you've ever flown in the US you'll know people literally do take their kitchen sink with them - people take excessive amounts of carry on and on many flights it's not uncommon for bags to end up having to be checked on boarding once they run out of overhead bin space.

 

Because you have zone based boarding many people often don't end up with their bags directly above them on a plane so the whole boarding (and subsequent leaving the plane) simply becomes a nightmare.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think there needs to be an crossbow at the back of the plane, and anyone with a carry on bag is shot.  Would problably make for a pretty slow boarding process....for the first couple of planes.  Until they're weeded out.  But it should be good after that.





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  #2400577 17-Jan-2020 11:08
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It seems to me (and it's kindof implied in one of those studies where they all look at -A seats) that you get maximum parallelism if you seat all the people who are furthest from the aisle (i.e. window seats and innermost seats in the centre of the plane) first, then the next column of seats, and finally the aisle seats. If a slow person is loaded first into an aisle seat, then they'll have to get up when their fast window seat person arrives.

 

But I've never encountered column-wise seating of passengers at any airport.

 

[Edit: Now I've read it, this is what Mythbusters found too]

 

Presumably Business Class and Koru Club people are loaded before cattle class because they're all relatively slow and difficult.

 

 


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  #2400584 17-Jan-2020 11:10
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sbiddle:

While all these formulas are great the simple fact is none factor in carry on baggage so really can't be applied to the US market which is very different to a country like NZ. If you've ever flown in the US you'll know people literally do take their kitchen sink with them - people take excessive amounts of carry on and on many flights it's not uncommon for bags to end up having to be checked on boarding once they run out of overhead bin space.


Because you have zone based boarding many people often don't end up with their bags directly above them on a plane so the whole boarding (and subsequent leaving the plane) simply becomes a nightmare.


 


 



Yep this happened today on a San Fran Hawaii flight. They were offering free check on and still no takers. It wasn't helped by people shoving their bags in the first available overhead rather than their own.

Some of those carry ons are huge. A massive roller, a back pack, and a jacket.

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  #2400588 17-Jan-2020 11:19
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It seems to me (and it's kindof implied in one of those studies where they all look at -A seats) that you get maximum parallelism if you seat all the people who are furthest from the aisle (i.e. window seats and innermost seats in the centre of the plane) first, then the next column of seats, and finally the aisle seats. If a slow person is loaded first into an aisle seat, then they'll have to get up when their fast window seat person arrives.

 

But I've never encountered column-wise seating of passengers at any airport.

 

[Edit: Now I've read it, this is what Mythbusters found too]

 

Presumably Business Class and Koru Club people are loaded before cattle class because they're all relatively slow and difficult.

 

 

 

 

Burn :P Guess they're invited on to get comfy reading their paper and all the perks before the staff have to deal with the riff-raff

 

But at the same time they're allowed to board 'at their leisure'. And often get that last drink in and are then waited on for the door to close..


 
 
 
 


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  #2400614 17-Jan-2020 12:10
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frankv:

 

It seems to me (and it's kindof implied in one of those studies where they all look at -A seats) that you get maximum parallelism if you seat all the people who are furthest from the aisle (i.e. window seats and innermost seats in the centre of the plane) first, then the next column of seats, and finally the aisle seats. If a slow person is loaded first into an aisle seat, then they'll have to get up when their fast window seat person arrives.

 

 

When the boarding call occurs, I always try to get towards the front of the queue if I have a window seat, or the back of the queue if I have an aisle seat.

 

I don't fly often enough to be an expert traveler, but this is one thing I have learned that seems to work well. 


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  #2400623 17-Jan-2020 12:31
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When the boarding call occurs, I always try to get towards the front of the queue if I have a window seat, or the back of the queue if I have an aisle seat.


I don't fly often enough to be an expert traveler, but this is one thing I have learned that seems to work well. 



Ditto. And if i know im in the back half and they call by section to do similar. No point being row 27 and going last.

Sadly everyone else is in a rush as if they're going to be left behind and even if in row 6 load first. Holding up the back. Guess thats why dual loading helps. But the last few I've struck the same. Grumpy 20+ seated bodies by the time they get to the back from front door, or coming in the back expecting everyone to move aisle cause they're in row 10 and got there late.

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  #2400630 17-Jan-2020 12:56
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I hope science proves that letting people murder those wenkers that stand right next to the luggage carousel waiting for their bags to come off, so much so that normal people standing back can't even see the bags anymore, is good for everyone else.

 

Because I'd be the first to murder them.


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  #2400631 17-Jan-2020 12:59
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I hope science proves that letting people murder those wenkers that stand right next to the luggage carousel waiting for their bags to come off, so much so that normal people standing back can't even see the bags anymore, is good for everyone else.

 

Because I'd be the first to murder them.

 

 

With you on that one.

 

Unless theres a decent gap, I wait back and dont bother even trying until the masses have cleared.





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  #2400678 17-Jan-2020 13:05
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I hope science proves that letting people murder those wenkers that stand right next to the luggage carousel waiting for their bags to come off, so much so that normal people standing back can't even see the bags anymore, is good for everyone else.

 

Because I'd be the first to murder them.

 

 

As a side note to this. Try getting a bag(s) off one of those godless machines sitting in a wheelchair. Its *&^% dangerous. Adding in playing dodgems with carousel zombies just piles on the pain.





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I was waiting for my bag last week when a gentlemen in a wheelchair came and waited beside me. He introduced himself and straight up asked if I’d mind helping him with his bag. Not a problem, it must be a right pain to try to do that yourself in a wheelchair.

When wheelchair bound people check luggage they should allow it it be marked as such so that it is delivered by hand the same way over size bags are.

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MikeB4:

 

As a side note to this. Try getting a bag(s) off one of those godless machines sitting in a wheelchair. Its *&^% dangerous. Adding in playing dodgems with carousel zombies just piles on the pain.

 

 

I'm thinking that wheelchair-bound people are in a position to do the rest of us a favour here. Go to the end of the carousel where the bags come out and line up parallel to the carousel. Grab a bag and hold on, mowing down the stand-near-the-carousel zombie phone readers. Shout "Yee-hah" occasionally.

 

 


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  #2401293 18-Jan-2020 13:57
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I've often wondered how they'd get on with no overhead baggage, just want you can put between your legs. Either that, or have a laptop sized bag slot with your seat number on it. 


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