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#3036757 15-Feb-2023 09:32

A Russian tank column enters a minefield. Doh!

Ukrainians claim to kill 31 Russian vehicles in one day. I can believe it.

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1624694734072545283

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#3036761 15-Feb-2023 09:39

Perhaps shooting training will help prevent Ukraine from firing the ammunition provided by the EU faster than it can be replenished?

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#3036869 15-Feb-2023 10:18

Tinkerisk:

Perhaps shooting training will help prevent Ukraine from firing the ammunition provided by the EU faster than it can be replenished?

If I was on the front line and someone was shooting at me I don't think I would count the bullets I used to try and survive.

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#3037048 15-Feb-2023 14:26

SJB:

Tinkerisk:

Perhaps shooting training will help prevent Ukraine from firing the ammunition provided by the EU faster than it can be replenished?

If I was on the front line and someone was shooting at me I don't think I would count the bullets I used to try and survive.

If you have nothing left, you cannot count anything. And shooting a lot doesn't necessarily mean surviving. A sniper sees it completely different than a moderately trained standard infantryman.

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#3037092 15-Feb-2023 15:41

When you're dead, wasting ammo is no longer a concern.

I'm sure the next time you're on the front lines in the Ukraine, they will value your input about wasting ammo.

A sniper is trying to kill someone.

Sometimes just sticking your gun out the window and blindly shooting is what's needed to say "Some unknown number of people are here; maybe you should leave."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppressive_fire

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#3037406 15-Feb-2023 22:25

The use of drones is really scaring me. We may have made a deal with the devil.

This one has an eye-watering price of US$195,000.

Radio Free Europe: https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-black-hornets-micro-drones-uk-norway/32010443.html

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#3037408 15-Feb-2023 22:43

kingdragonfly: When you're dead, wasting ammo is no longer a concern.

I'm sure the next time you're on the front lines in the Ukraine, they will value your input about wasting ammo.

A sniper is trying to kill someone.

Sometimes just sticking your gun out the window and blindly shooting is what's needed to say "Some unknown number of people are here; maybe you should leave."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppressive_fire

Less is more when it comes to using ammo especially when it's in short supply. The Finns proved this when the Russians invaded Finland at the start of WWII. The Finns were short of most things including ammunition and they held their fire till it was most effective, and very effective it was.

The invasion of Ukraine has a lot of similarities to the Russo Finnish war in 1939. Like the Ukrainians the Finns were accused of threatening to invade Russia, the Finns were Fascists, the Finns were a proxy for the Western powers, the list goes on.

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#3037410 15-Feb-2023 22:57

Technofreak:
The invasion of Ukraine has a lot of similarities to the Russo Finnish war in 1939. Like the Ukrainians the Finns were accused of threatening to invade Russia, the Finns were Fascists, the Finns were a proxy for the Western powers, the list goes on.

Also like Ukraine, Russia provided Finland with a lot of weapons. As a Finnish friend put it, "before Russian invaded we had Lahti anti-tank rifles [*]. After Russia invaded we had tanks as well".

[*] Which had the unique design feature of ejecting the cartridge downwards in front of the trigger guard instead of out the side. You could spot L39 gunners by the missing fingers.

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#3037413 15-Feb-2023 23:58

kingdragonfly: When you're dead, wasting ammo is no longer a concern.

I'm sure the next time you're on the front lines in the Ukraine, they will value your input about wasting ammo.

„In Brussels, the defense ministers of the NATO countries are discussing further support for Ukraine. One topic likely to be discussed is the shortage of ammunition. According to NATO Secretary General Stoltenberg, Ukraine consumes significantly more ammunition than Western arms companies can produce.“ (Oops, I would be more sparing with my resources.)

So much for your theoretical military knowledge about barrages or suppressive fire and noise can also be made with blanks. The ammunition flat-rate thinking doesn't help here either and no, I will not fly combat missions in Ukraine. 😀

kingdragonfly: A sniper is trying to kill someone.

Isn't that the essence of war? On average, an infantryman uses a thousand times more ammunition per kill than a sniper.

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#3037556 16-Feb-2023 12:56

Tinkerisk:
In Brussels, the defense ministers of the NATO countries are discussing further support for Ukraine. One topic likely to be discussed is the shortage of ammunition. According to NATO Secretary General Stoltenberg, Ukraine consumes significantly more ammunition than Western arms companies can produce

Have the defense ministers of Nato been to one of the 4,600 Walmarts in the US? :)

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#3037567 16-Feb-2023 13:17

Tinkerisk:

Perhaps shooting training will help prevent Ukraine from firing the ammunition provided by the EU faster than it can be replenished?

When you have limited means of defence on a line that is 2500km long and receiving currently 12000 rounds of artillery against you every day - with you returning around 5000 (most of which is not precision based) I don't know what you expect them to do? I always find your replies in regards to Ukraine smug and arrogant. Ultimately even you must see how unjust this war is? Ramp up production, provide better weapons. Germany has come a long way from 5000 helmets, but can always go further.

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#3037636 16-Feb-2023 14:20

Have the defense ministers of Nato been to one of the 4,600 Walmarts in the US?

I expect NATO standard ammunition is not a big seller at Walmart.

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#3037639 16-Feb-2023 14:22

gzt:
Have the defense ministers of Nato been to one of the 4,600 Walmarts in the US?

I expect NATO standard ammunition is not a big seller at Walmart.

<bubba> There's only one reason you can't buy 155mm ammo at walmart and that's liberals </bubba>.

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#3037650 16-Feb-2023 15:01

They do sell an amazing range of field manuals though :)

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#3037764 16-Feb-2023 15:38

gzt:
Have the defense ministers of Nato been to one of the 4,600 Walmarts in the US?

I expect NATO standard ammunition is not a big seller at Walmart.

Never had any problems getting .223 in the US, it's slightly less powerful than proper NATO 5.56 but otherwise works fine.

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