Donald Trump, US President #47, US President #45, convicted felon, twice impeached, four times indicted, liable of rape, convicted for financial fraud, guilty of hiding hush money payments to porn actress in attempt to influence 2016 elections

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#1671026 14-Nov-2016 21:51

Geektastic:

Not sure. If 12v batteries and jump leads will get info that saves thousands i'm good with that.

Save only thousands?

Why you could make millions. Charge an audience for tickets and turn it into a TV show. Right up Trump's alley - a real win-win.

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#1671029 14-Nov-2016 21:56

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Oh yeah that's right. Bad enough for Billy Bush to be suspended and then resigning for standing alongside as he was saying it, but not so bad that the President Elect of the USA brushes it off as "locker room talk" - the kind of thing we all say, apparently.

I don't know *why* Billy Bush was suspended and then resigned. Do you? It could be because he released the recording. But could it have been because he didn't allow his employer to make as much out of this money-spinner of a recording secret? Or maybe he was bonking the editor's wife? Maybe he just wasn't bringing in the ratings, so he got a golden handshake? Maybe it was pressure from Trump himself, or some insider in the Republican Party, or Hillary Clinton, or some insider in the Democrat Party. Maybe he was just collateral damage in the media beatup of the whole thing.

The presence of groupies around rock groups is an example of exactly the same thing... sex of any kind is available on demand from strangers for famous people. I heard Robbie Williams say essentially the same thing, complete with anecdotal example, on a TV chat show a week or two ago. I've had "locker room" discussions on this subject before (although not in locker rooms)... I guess I'm just fortunate or clever or insignificant enough not to have been recorded saying it, and that no-one cares anyway. I don't understand the motivation of the groupies, but it's undeniable that they exist. I view that with incredulity, so maybe *I* heard an overtone of incredulity in Trump's voice as he was explaining essentially the same thing to the DJ.

And I'm somewhat incredulous that the whole thing blew up into such a media feeding frenzy of moral outrage, and that a whole group of people took *this* as a rallying cry against Trump.

Context matters

The presence of groupies around rock stars? Trump was at the time a ~60YO businessman, endorsing or joking about sexual assault of women. Consent is context there. He wasn't some larrikin rock star. If you've had "discussions of that nature", at least as an adult, then we live in different worlds. He was exposed as a dirty_old_man.

And he was exposed as a dirty_old_man in context of a someone who had been trying to score moral points against the husband of his opponent, who did something unwise - but with consent - many years earlier.

I do buy into the sense of moral outrage. I do buy in to the probability that women who came forward to make accusations that he'd behaved to them in a manner entirely consistent with the taped admission were serious issues.

There was no point, clearly, to the "rallying cry" against Trump. His voters have spoken, that they don't care, and I expect they'll continue to not care as he proceeds with his promises.

Again, what he actually said was "And when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything ... Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything."

They let you do it. i.e. they allow it, they consent. So it's *not* sexual assault. Whether he's 60 years old or 20 years old, they still apparently consent. And his actual words aren't endorsing or joking (or an "admission"). They are statements of fact... he's describing the world he lives in, as it is.

Yes, he's a dirty old man. I do buy into the moral outrage raised by women who *do* say they were assaulted. I look forward to his trial for raping a 13 year old girl.

And I'm happy to note, without surprise, that his campaign promises are vanishing into thin air as fast as Trump University did.

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#1671035 14-Nov-2016 22:18

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He obviously follows the Jack Bauer School of Interrogation Techniques.

Well to be fair, Jack saved the world from terrorists at least 7 times using those methods!

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#1671036 14-Nov-2016 22:19

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Geektastic:

Not sure. If 12v batteries and jump leads will get info that saves thousands i'm good with that.

Save only thousands?

Why you could make millions. Charge an audience for tickets and turn it into a TV show. Right up Trump's alley - a real win-win.

He means thousands of people I think.

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#1671041 14-Nov-2016 23:12

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#1671046 15-Nov-2016 00:28

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The fact check is that we aren't qualified to judge this and neither is Twitter.

This is a serious allegation that needs evidence.

If there is evidence, then the only recourse is to take it to Court.

The Media would cover that.

Which means there was no evidence?

Perhaps *shock* he may be accused of something he didn't do? 🤔

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#1671047 15-Nov-2016 00:31

Can you folks please stop with excessive quotes?

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#1671048 15-Nov-2016 00:43

PhantomNVD:
MaxLV:
The fact check is that we aren't qualified to judge this and neither is Twitter.

This is a serious allegation that needs evidence.

If there is evidence, then the only recourse is to take it to Court.

The Media would cover that.

Which means there was no evidence?

Perhaps *shock* he may be accused of something he didn't do? 🤔

When I see a reply like that, I think you are trying to lead me into a statement I didn't make or you are completely stupid.

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#1671050 15-Nov-2016 00:48

freitasm: Can you folks please stop with excessive quotes?

In recent posts, I was probably most guilty of that.

Apologies.

Although, often the interface makes it difficult to the avoid that.

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#1671065 15-Nov-2016 07:36

JWR:
PhantomNVD:
MaxLV:
The fact check is that we aren't qualified to judge this and neither is Twitter.

This is a serious allegation that needs evidence.

If there is evidence, then the only recourse is to take it to Court.

The Media would cover that.

Which means there was no evidence?

Perhaps *shock* he may be accused of something he didn't do? 🤔

When I see a reply like that, I think you are trying to lead me into a statement I didn't make or you are completely stupid.

So I'm either baiting you or stupid? Hmmm...

1) a person lays a serious charge before the court, but is not willing to be named
2) said person lays huge allegations before a (very muddy on both sides) presidential campaign, which even the press are unable to report due to the way the charge was laid
3) the person then schedules a major press conference to out the accused before the court date
4) finally the accuser drops the whole case shortly before it begins, without any shred of evidence ever being presented...

and I think to suggest that maybe the accused might even be innocent and I must be either baiting you or stupid?
At worst you could call me naive, but the trail above can clearly be read in more than one way if you think I'm "stupid" to see the obvious linkage, and not the "smoke = fire lets believe him guilty without ANY evidence.

Finally, IANAL, but AFAIK sex with an underage partner is a criminal case, decided by a prosecutor, not a civil case able to be 'dropped' by a plaintiff??

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#1671109 15-Nov-2016 09:10

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Which means there was no evidence?

Not necessarily. The woman says she has withdrawn her complaint because she fears for her life.

Perhaps *shock* he may be accused of something he didn't do? 🤔

Perhaps. Or perhaps he has identified her, or her witness, and threatened one or other of them, or paid one or other of them off. We could speculate ad nauseum about what it means.

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#1671183 15-Nov-2016 10:20

Perhaps. Or perhaps he has identified her, or her witness, and threatened one or other of them, or paid one or other of them off. We could speculate ad-nauseum about what it means.

Legally, it means he is innocent of those charges. The end.

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#1671186 15-Nov-2016 10:42

Interestingly, President-Elect Trump has tried to contact Mr Key to offer his condolences, I think that's a good sign. The guy is obviously not without compassion.

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#1671187 15-Nov-2016 10:42

Fred99:

Geektastic:

Not sure. If 12v batteries and jump leads will get info that saves thousands i'm good with that.

Save only thousands?

Why you could make millions. Charge an audience for tickets and turn it into a TV show. Right up Trump's alley - a real win-win.

Worked well enough for the Romans, I guess...!

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