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  #2324446 25-Sep-2019 10:54
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When will Trumps apprentice resign? The temperature in hell hasn't dropped so I guess not soon.





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  #2324495 25-Sep-2019 11:40
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If there ever was a case of being careful what you wish for, this has to be it. I'm sure Boris did not imagine anything like this when he dreamt of becoming PM.

 

 





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  #2324729 25-Sep-2019 17:21
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The Times - Supreme Court ruling: Tories pile pressure on Cummings

 

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Tory MPs have called for Dominic Cummings to resign after blaming him for the government’s humiliation in the Supreme Court.

 

Boris Johnson’s chief adviser has been the architect of the prime minister’s confrontational strategy in an attempt to drive through Brexit and could be forced to take responsibility for yesterday’s defeat.

 

One Conservative MP told The Times: “If there’s one thing that is 100 per cent clear after this, it is that Cummings must go and go now. It is entirely his failure and he must pay the price now.”

 

David Gauke, the former justice secretary, said that Mr Cummings’s position was untenable.

 

With opposition parties calling for Mr Johnson to step down, Mr Cummings, 47, offers a tempting alternative target for unhappy Conservatives. ...

 

 

[For those of you unfamiliar with Cummings, he is a Rasputin-like character who controls Boris.]





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  #2324731 25-Sep-2019 17:25
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We have boring politics here in NZ, lets hope we stay really really bored.





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  #2325016 26-Sep-2019 09:04
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BBC News - Boris Johnson says Supreme Court 'wrong' to rule on Parliament suspension

 

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Follow the link - too complex to summarize.

 

The BBC's political editor said that the Commons was "an absolute bear pit", with "so much vitriol on all sides":

 



 

Boris and Donald are both "doubling down" in the same way at the same time.





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  #2325098 26-Sep-2019 10:03
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I feel we are witness to the final death throws of the British Empire. Boris the wrecker will be the last Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. I guess the sun does set there.





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  #2325125 26-Sep-2019 10:43
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MikeB4:

 

I feel we are witness to the final death throws of the British Empire. Boris the wrecker will be the last Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. I guess the sun does set there.

 

 

The empire is long gone. They've got much the same as in the US with highly partisan media fueling the fire, whatever happens half (more or less) are going to be extremely unhappy, and it's going to be a long term problem for them. Politically worse than the US as there aren't two positions but three (hard, soft and no Brexit), and 4 (or more with SNP) parties competing, no two of which can form a stable majority government with any claim to have a mandate - nor are the polls indicating that's likely to change in a GE.

 

Stock up on popcorn. Possibly the worse it gets, the greater the chance that there'll be reforms to strengthen democracy. 


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  #2325350 26-Sep-2019 14:37
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Fred99:

 

MikeB4:

 

I feel we are witness to the final death throws of the British Empire. Boris the wrecker will be the last Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. I guess the sun does set there.

 

 

The empire is long gone. They've got much the same as in the US with highly partisan media fueling the fire, whatever happens half (more or less) are going to be extremely unhappy, and it's going to be a long term problem for them. Politically worse than the US as there aren't two positions but three (hard, soft and no Brexit), and 4 (or more with SNP) parties competing, no two of which can form a stable majority government with any claim to have a mandate - nor are the polls indicating that's likely to change in a GE.

 

Stock up on popcorn. Possibly the worse it gets, the greater the chance that there'll be reforms to strengthen democracy. 

 

 

I have a son living over there and it worries me what will happen to them. We can always pay for them to come back though. His partner got told on Monday that her job finishes on October 31 Brexit day, I guess that will be happening to a lot of folk.





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  #2325415 26-Sep-2019 16:04
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Everytime I see Trump Johnson I hear the following words...

 

Everytime I look at you I don't understand, why you let the things you did get so out of hand.

 

 

 

 





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  #2325488 26-Sep-2019 18:30
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I, along with 17.4M other British voters support what Boris is doing, Parliament (remainers) are enacting a coup against the democratically elected government. I laugh at the misinformation being peddled about leaving the EU but I can guarantee that no Kiwi would want their laws enacted by bureaucrats in Canberra, yet are surprised and against the British people that are sick of it happening to them via Brussels/Strasbourg.





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  #2325500 26-Sep-2019 18:49
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DS9:

 

I, along with 17.4M other British voters support what Boris is doing, Parliament (remainers) are enacting a coup against the democratically elected government. I laugh at the misinformation being peddled about leaving the EU but I can guarantee that no Kiwi would want their laws enacted by bureaucrats in Canberra, yet are surprised and against the British people that are sick of it happening to them via Brussels/Strasbourg.

 

 

Most Brits don't give a fig about the european government, judging by the voter turnout.

 

i see the issue of EU governance as one of the 'superset'. Do you think it is fair that someone in Marton should follow the rules set by someone in Palmerston North?

 

Should someone in Palmerston North have to follow rules set by someone in wellington?

 

I wouldn't mind following rules set by a government in Oz as long as I had a say in electing the people who set those rules. Which the brits do, if they can be bothered voting.

 

 

 

Don't forget those MEPs from britain also set rules which people in 27 other countries have to follow. 

 

If brits are so deadset against central government then let them have fiefdoms every 50 miles.





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  #2325505 26-Sep-2019 19:01
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I have to disagree with your arguments, NZer's making laws for other NZer's is perfectly legitimate and as it should be. Also the MEP's only get to vote on legislation written by bureaucrats, they do not create it and if they vote against it, they'll be bypassed anyway.




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  #2325521 26-Sep-2019 19:20
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DS9: I have to disagree with your arguments, NZer's making laws for other NZer's is perfectly legitimate and as it should be. Also the MEP's only get to vote on legislation written by bureaucrats, they do not create it and if they vote against it, they'll be bypassed anyway.

 

You can disagree if you want, but do you have a rational explanation to do so?

 

In some cases what is best for me is not best for my neighbour and vice versa. But we work together and try to head in the same direction. Scale that idea up and you have central national government. A system in which those in otago live under the same rules as those in auckland, even if it means they can't marry their sisters.

 

That's a joke by the way.

 

I'm in favour of scaling up beyond national governments as I feel it's the only way we'll solve some of the world's problems. Of course this will be difficult when we have the idea of the nation state and with it 'patriotism'.

 

I just don't see what's so great about being English that the English think they aren't that anymore, and will be again when they drop out of the EU.

 

 





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  #2325547 26-Sep-2019 20:09
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MikeB4:

Everytime I see Trump Johnson I hear the following words...


Everytime I look at you I don't understand, why you let the things you did get so out of hand.



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  #2325553 26-Sep-2019 20:20
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DS9: I, along with 17.4M other British voters support what Boris is doing, Parliament (remainers) are enacting a coup against the democratically elected government. I laugh at the misinformation being peddled about leaving the EU but I can guarantee that no Kiwi would want their laws enacted by bureaucrats in Canberra, yet are surprised and against the British people that are sick of it happening to them via Brussels/Strasbourg.


When the US is trying to sell chlorinated chicken, or the Chinese want to sell unsafe toys, who do you think they'd rather bribe / threaten / cajole?

A few British politicians or the EU?

If you want the remaining British standards further weakened, continue with Brexit.

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