Donald Trump, US President #47, US President #45, convicted felon, twice impeached, four times indicted, liable of rape, convicted for financial fraud, guilty of hiding hush money payments to porn actress in attempt to influence 2016 elections

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Rikkitic

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#3178331 6-Jan-2024 12:30

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quickymart:

I was just thinking, during WWII, didn't Hitler have almost all of Germany on his side for everything he did? I've seen videos of Hitler speaking to raptorous crowds, hanging off his every word. Did all of Germany support Hitler? I know a good portion of the American population don't support Trump.

Hitler had significant popular support but nothing close to 'all of Germany'. He never won a majority of the vote. A majority actually opposed him. He became chancellor and later dictator through a series of manoeuvrings, not entirely honest but initially not illegal. He could have been stopped but those who disapproved of him didn't fully appreciate the danger until too late. There are a lot of lessons of history here.

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#3178335 6-Jan-2024 12:47

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quickymart:

I also agree with "nobody to replace him" although there's certainly a long line of Trump-wannabes now.

Fortunately none of the wannabes have his showbiz like personality and presentation so seem like pale imitations.

And they all come across as too intelligent for your average MAGA supporter. MAGA supporters sneer at any sign of intelligence.

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#3178389 6-Jan-2024 13:27

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Coupla things:

I've just watched 'Hitler:The Rise of Evil', starring Robert Carlyle. It's not new - 2003 - but it offers chilling insights into how millions of otherwise sensible people can be persuaded to obey a charismatic demagogue.

Regarding the political environment in America as well as most other countries, there has never been anything as influential as the unbridled bullshit that now abounds on the Internet and Social Media. Virtually anyone can say anything they wish about any subject and their message can reach billions.

But I believe there's another factor in play now and that's Homo Sap's collective state of largely unvoiced fearfulness. It seems to have been initiated by the Covid epidemic, but it's now been overtaken and accentuated by the global danger of climate change and the total uncertainly about the future.

I may be wrong, but I haven't seen any other explanation for the craziness that's affecting the world, but seems to be epitomized in the USA. So now Trump has God's backing, everything's going to be OK. But only for MAGA people, of course.

'Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.' Voltaire

'A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.' Edward Abbey

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#3178579 6-Jan-2024 21:21

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https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/05/trumps-crowds-dont-want-to-move-on-from-jan-6-they-want-retribution-for-him-00134163

I really, really hope it's only his idiotic base that believes January 6 was "a setup by the FBI/Antifa/the police/<take your pick of Trump's enemies>", because if most of America thinks the same as the MAGA clowns featured in this article, the country is really screwed.

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#3178594 6-Jan-2024 23:55

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Rikkitic:

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I used all three meanings of the word dubious with relevant examples. While the officials and courts are following the law, these actions also have demonstrably partisan elements.

Anyway, you are totally missed my point. I’m not arguing for Trump - I would not vote for him - or against any statute - I’m disinterested. I’m stating that these actions appear more likely to prove counterproductive because they are likely to only resolve at the ballot box and the Supreme Court. Neither pathway is assured of preventing Trump being reelected.

I think that Trump’s political opponents could do better to halt the drift of voters towards him. Trump is gaining support from the ranks of those who voted for Biden and the Democrats. Independent candidates are also gaining at least 20% of those swinging votes.

It may well be that these legal actions are being taken because, as some commentators have already said, his enemies fear that there is no candidate capable of keeping Trump out. That is sad if it is true.

Give me some credit. I did not miss your point at all. It is also abundantly clear you are not in any way a Trump supporter.

My point is that banning Trump from participating in the election is a matter of law. It is not a partisan issue and it has nothing to do with (should have nothing to do with) influencing the election. Either he broke the law or he didn’t. If he did he should be sanctioned. Even if that actually increases his vote. Enforcement of the law should not be contingent on whether it is politically expedient or not or causes civil unrest. Either you have a nation of laws or you don’t.

If there is any partisanship here, it is overwhelmingly on the Republican side. They have repeatedly shown themselves to be willing to use every dirty trick there is to gain advantage. All they care about is winning. They don’t care how they do that.

If an official who bans Trump happens to be a Democrat, that does not make it partisan. What is partisan is all the Republican officials who do nothing.

Personally I do not think banning Trump from the election is a good move. He should be defeated by ballot. But the issue will be decided by the Supreme Court and that is as it should be. According to the law.

I don’t give you credit for straw manning my comments.

You keep harping on about this is “the law” as if it is fully defined and the processes of interpreting it and enforcing it specified in detail. They are not and the law itself is ripped out of a different mileux so applying it will require significant development and negotiation.

The current processes are ad hoc (“for this situation”) and are likely to require either Congress or the Supreme Court to clarify how it should be done consistently.

Even distinguished legal advocates for disqualifying Trump, such as Laurence Tribe, recognise this:

Harvard scholar predicts how Supreme Court will rule on key Trump legal battles

[Edited to add title to YouTube link]

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#3178596 7-Jan-2024 00:12

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Hammerer: The current processes are ad hoc (“for this situation”) and are likely to require either Congress or the Supreme Court to clarify how it should be done consistently.

Yes, that is not unusual for law and constitutional law that has not been tested before. That was always going to be tested in at least one state because there are 50 chances for that plus D.C. I'm not sure what you think the legal alternative would be to hearing those cases?

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#3178598 7-Jan-2024 00:19

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Hammerer:

I don’t give you credit for straw manning my comments.

You keep harping on about this is “the law” as if it is fully defined and the processes of interpreting it and enforcing it specified in detail. They are not and the law itself is ripped out of a different mileux so applying it will require significant development and negotiation.

The current processes are ad hoc (“for this situation”) and are likely to require either Congress or the Supreme Court to clarify how it should be done consistently.

Even distinguished legal advocates for disqualifying Trump, such as Laurence Tribe, recognise this:

Harvard scholar predicts how Supreme Court will rule on key Trump legal battles

[Edited to add title to YouTube link]

Where did I straw man your comments? You are just making things up. I already stated that the Supreme Court would be the final arbiter in this matter, also that I don't think banning Trump is the right way to go about this. I'm not sure what we are disagreeing on.

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#3178612 7-Jan-2024 08:34

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at last ...

'I won the election and he was the loser': Biden torches Trump

On Friday evening President Joe Biden made what is being called one of his “most powerful” speeches ever, from a stage just miles from historic Valley Forge, Pennsylvania.

“Donald Trump’s campaign is about him - not America, not you."

“Donald Trump’s campaign is obsessed with the past, not the future. He’s willing to sacrifice our democracy, put himself in power.”

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#3178613 7-Jan-2024 08:36

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I imagine there's probably a lot of food being thrown at the walls at Maralago right now 😀

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#3178615 7-Jan-2024 08:40

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I saw a 20 minute Fox news piece on Jeffery Epstein's list (Fox 32 in Chicago)

Not surprisingly, Fox had very little coverage of the Jeffrey Epstein list of abuser, though it had the characteristics of an easy story: sex, power, underaged victims.

They began and ended with discussing President Clinton. Often used the word "victim" shortly after his name.

Oddly they mentioned banks as often as President Clinton. (Why???)

Only after 5 minutes, and mentioning others on the list 6 times, in the middle of the broadcast, did he mention Trump. He started to stutter, and talk very quickly, when Trump was mentioned.

He then immediately changed the subject Prince Andrew.

"Allegedly told [Epstein's accomplice] that how President Clinton 'liked them young'.

That was one of the quotes that some of my colleagues found at [by our legal analyst] in the same, in the same, deposition file.

There was a reference to former President Trump. It said that she was not asked to give him a massage.

There, there have been other, references in different documents to prince Andrew, Who your viewers may remember that Virginia to, who's the woman, who filed the lawsuit."

So final score

26% -- Prince Andrew
22% -- Clinton
22% -- banks and financial institutes.
4% -- French modeling agent Jean-Luc
4% -- Trump

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#3178622 7-Jan-2024 09:12

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Both as slimy and devious as the other.

Also - Trump's January 6 riot is not getting much love outside of the hardcore MAGA crowd: https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/06/jan-6-trump-biden-00134147

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Who needs love when you have money.

MAGAS, you have to add to that those that don't believe.
If that loyal MAGA base can be energized to meet their needs then just keep feeding it.
There is a lot of money lined up, that would not be seen dead in that crowd, but will feed it.

Vivek Ramaswamy is trying to out Trump, Trump, after that 'precious' crowd.
See Thiel, Musk and other billionaires rush in to support him.
You have the complete dislocation of reality 'for your cause'.

Arguing facts makes no difference to them as they know like 'Tucker Carlson'.
(Revealed in his own comments about Trump etc in the voting machine case. )
Yet MAGAS far from seeing a Traitor, they see the perfect MAGA who knows the truth and does not care.

Without Rupert Murdock... The most impactful Australian in History ?
Casting a global shadow.

Now the next generation taking that into digital space.

How Musk, Thiel, Zuckerberg, and Andreessen—Four Billionaire Techno-Oligarchs—Are Creating an Alternate, Autocratic Reality
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/08/musk-thiel-zuckerberg-andreessen-alternate-autocratic-reality

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Four very powerful billionaires—Peter Thiel, Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, and Marc Andreessen—are creating a world where “nothing is true and all is spectacle.” If we are to inquire how we got to a place of radical income inequality, post-truth reality, and the looming potential for a second American Civil War, we need look no further than these four—“the biggest wallets,” to paraphrase historian Timothy Snyder, “paying for the most blinding lights.”
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#3178796 7-Jan-2024 16:16

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The Guardian - Trump tells Iowans to ‘get over’ school shooting at campaign event

06 Dec 2024

Donald Trump told an audience at a campaign event on Friday in Iowa to “get over” a deadly shooting at a high school in the state a day earlier.

After offering sympathy and emotional support for the victims of the shooting in Perry, Iowa, Trump said: “It’s just horrible – so surprising to see it here. But we have to get over it. We have to move forward.”

Friday’s remarks were not the first time that Trump has apparently tried to deflect from having a substantial conversation about gun violence in the US.

During a speech in April 2023 to the National Rifle Association, Trump argued that the long history of deadly school shootings in the US is “not a gun problem”.

He instead blamed the issue on Democrats, mental health issues, marijuana and the transgender community.

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#3178810 7-Jan-2024 17:56

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and ...

Reuters - Trump demands release of those jailed for 2021 Capitol attack

CLINTON, Iowa, Jan 6 (Reuters) - Donald Trump on Saturday downplayed his role in the siege of the U.S. Capitol on the third anniversary of the attack, arguing that those prosecuted for storming the building should be freed.

Speaking at a campaign event in Clinton, Iowa with the first Republican nominating contest little more than a week away, Trump called those jailed in the wake of the Jan. 6, 2021 attack "hostages" and said they had been mistreated by the Biden administration. ...

More than 1,200 people have been charged with taking part in the riot, and more than 900 have either pleaded guilty or been convicted following a trial.

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#3178903 8-Jan-2024 09:52

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and ...Reuters - Trump demands release of those jailed for 2021 Capitol attack

Clever. This way it'll come as no surprise when he demands his own release 😜

'Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.' Voltaire

'A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.' Edward Abbey

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