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  #1504811 2-Mar-2016 12:19
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SJB:

 

The over the top criticism of Obama and the glowing support for Trump just doesn't sound like a Kiwi to me. 

 

 

FWIW, I have a brother who's been living in the USA for over 5 years. He was as Kiwi as me before he left. Late last year he was here, and in conversation I threw in some off-hand comment about what an idiot Trump is and how he didn't have a chance. Well, my brother came back an endorsement of Trump, although not as B&W as the quote this refers to! I was astounded. I think he would vote for Trump if he gets the chance. Apart from this, he seemed sane and rational.

 

Dunno what this says about my brother, Kiwi expats in the USA, or Trump. But it's just a data point that says that their may be a Kiwi somewhere who believes all that stuff.

 

 

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  #1504830 2-Mar-2016 12:34
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Geektastic:

 

 

 

Obama is not a business person. Obama Healthcare is a complete disaster. Its killing many businesses. If Hillary gets in you will just get more of the same. Absolutely nothing will get done. Everyone I speak too is absolutely fed up, esp. business people. Trump is the only one who will bring significant change for the better.

 

 

The only business that's suffering because of Obama care is the heath insurance industry that can't justify their high pricing and most likely the hospitals and drug companies  for the same reason..  Obama Care  gives heath care to the poor and low  paid workers or are you one of these people that thinks only the rich should get health care?  If you're poor then die..??




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  #1505196 2-Mar-2016 20:11
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Geektastic:

 

This comment was left by someone (meaningless user name) on the Herald site. It was interesting to me because (a) the writer says that they are a NZer so probably grew up amongst the somewhat left leaning views prevalent here and (b) because the person actually lives there (they say so, anyway) and that always gives you a different perspective to just digesting the news and basing your views on the churnalism.

 

 

 

"I am a kiwi who has lived in the States for 5 years. The U.S.A. is in complete chaos. Obama has done nothing for the economy, nothing for growth, nothing for race relations, nothing to secure the borders.

 

The employment figures you read are absolutely false. If you have been out of work for 6 months or more in the States, you are not included in the unemployment figures. There are millions in that position.

 

Obama is not a business person. Obama Healthcare is a complete disaster. Its killing many businesses. If Hillary gets in you will just get more of the same. Absolutely nothing will get done. Everyone I speak too is absolutely fed up, esp. business people. Trump is the only one who will bring significant change for the better.

 

Whether you like Trump's manner or not, he is an extremely hard worker and a smart businessman. He (and his team) will work so hard for the American people. Also, he never inherited 200 million. That figure is completely false. A lot of what is being written about Trump is absolutely not true. The U.S.A. is heading towards the cliff at a rapid rate. There is no one better than a strong businessman to take on the complete mess that Obama has left."

 

 

Why would a serial liar who doesn't care about telling any truth care about working hard for his country?

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  #1505232 2-Mar-2016 21:24
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As I said before, the reason Trump is tops is the votes for the "rest" are split into the rest of the bunch. There are only so many pieces of the cake.

 

I am reading that the Reps don't want Trump and may have to remove everyone else but one, to consolidate some votes. Trouble is ... who will give in. Nobody.

 

Oh well, god bless Murica :)

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  #1505238 2-Mar-2016 21:39
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HAHAHA... Trump as  "a smart business man"!!!

 

 

 

I'm guessing it's someone in his media circus posting so he ends up in more US media... "EVEN PEOPLE FROM NZ THINK TRUMP IS AMAZE!"

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  #1505240 2-Mar-2016 21:44
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Every time I see an American saying Obama's done nothing, I pray for their lost soul. How can people be so blind or blinded by lies. If a meteor falls from the sky and kills half of a town, it's probably Obama's fault.

 

It is unbelievable the stupidity.




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  #1505243 2-Mar-2016 21:49
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blakamin: HAHAHA... Trump as  "a smart business man"!!! ... 

 

... who's been bankrupt four times. frown




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  #1505252 2-Mar-2016 22:18
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blakamin:

 

HAHAHA... Trump as  "a smart business man"!!!

 

 

 

I'm guessing it's someone in his media circus posting so he ends up in more US media... "EVEN PEOPLE FROM NZ THINK TRUMP IS AMAZE!"

 

 

 

 

Very small sample size, and no doubt some serious sample bias going on here .

 

However, it's interesting how those few Americans (as % of population) who've traveled and seen social democracy in action in first-world Western countries might not believe the great American myth that socialism = communism.

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  #1505254 2-Mar-2016 22:27
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SJB:

 

Geektastic - That was posted by someone from Trumps campaign. All the candidates have people who troll the media and web posting positive comments.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm sorry, I am probably breaching the FUG, but that is the dumbest thing I've seen in the thread so far I think. 

 

Why would they be on the NZ Herald site, we have NO control OVER THE OUTCOME OF THE ELECTION! We are not eligible to vote, we are not a significant US partner, we (NZ) are pretty much the most insignificant specks of dust on the US Boot. 

 

The thought they would send paid professionals to spread FUD here actually made me laugh!

 

 

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  #1505259 2-Mar-2016 22:28
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JWR:

 

 John Oliver item on Donald Drumpf

 

Actual link if embedded link not working... 

 

https://youtu.be/DnpO_RTSNmQ

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for the link. I hadn't actually watched it all the way through until now...  "You have to take out their families"   Good Heavens...




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  #1505260 2-Mar-2016 22:29
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Maybe Trump should win,
Perhaps it is what is needed to wake people up to realise there is a better measure of governance ,prosperity ,health and education than a balance sheet.
Trump occurs to me as a knee jerk reaction.
I love that he is against lobbying, but his beat up the middle East, lock out the Mexicans etc. I need say no more.

I know it's a bit like saying the best thing a kid can do is learn by falling over , but the US might become a better place by getting what it deserves, and I really do believe it's going to get what it deserves

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  #1505261 2-Mar-2016 22:30
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John Oliver is very clever (and witty). And younger than me. The lucky bugger smile

 

You should have seen his thing on gun control in the US, he got this gun-loving-yahoo eating out of the palm of his hand. Classic.

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  #1505262 2-Mar-2016 22:33
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turnin: Maybe Trump should win,
Perhaps it is what is needed to wake people up to realise there is a better measure of governance ,prosperity ,health and education than a balance sheet.
Trump occurs to me as a knee jerk reaction.
I love that he is against lobbying, but his beat up the middle East, lock out the Mexicans etc. I need say no more.

I know it's a bit like saying the best thing a kid can do is learn by falling over , but the US might become a better place by getting what it deserves, and I really do believe it's going to get what it deserves

 

While I see where you're coming from, I have family I care about (and my wife is an American citizen who lives here and votes there). I wouldn't want them to suffer 4 minutes of "governance" under this clown.

 

I read somewhere that if Trump (somehow) wins, it's doubtful he will last more than a week in the job, as some nutjob will attempt to assassinate him. Problem with that is, the Vice President becomes President. And if he puts in Sarah Palin (another crackpot), well...God help America.

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  #1505267 2-Mar-2016 22:35
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networkn:

SJB:


Geektastic - That was posted by someone from Trumps campaign. All the candidates have people who troll the media and web posting positive comments.


 



 


I'm sorry, I am probably breaching the FUG, but that is the dumbest thing I've seen in the thread so far I think. 


Why would they be on the NZ Herald site, we have NO control OVER THE OUTCOME OF THE ELECTION! We are not eligible to vote, we are not a significant US partner, we (NZ) are pretty much the most insignificant specks of dust on the US Boot. 


The thought they would send paid professionals to spread FUD here actually made me laugh!


 



It's a possibility, even in nz there are certainty suspiciously active posters that post the same arguments on multiple sites, sometimes prolifically. Dirty politics has a chapter on this.
I'm not sure the Republicans take international votes, the Democrats do , herald did a story on Wellington based Americans yesterday. Mainly supported Bernie sanders

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  #1505268 2-Mar-2016 22:38
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turnin:
networkn:

 

SJB:

 

 

 

Geektastic - That was posted by someone from Trumps campaign. All the candidates have people who troll the media and web posting positive comments.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm sorry, I am probably breaching the FUG, but that is the dumbest thing I've seen in the thread so far I think. 

 

 

 

Why would they be on the NZ Herald site, we have NO control OVER THE OUTCOME OF THE ELECTION! We are not eligible to vote, we are not a significant US partner, we (NZ) are pretty much the most insignificant specks of dust on the US Boot. 

 

 

 

The thought they would send paid professionals to spread FUD here actually made me laugh!

 

 

 

 

 



It's a possibility, even in nz there are certainty suspiciously active posters that post the same arguments on multiple sites, sometimes prolifically. Dirty politics has a chapter on this.
I'm not sure the Republicans take international votes, the Democrats do , herald did a story on Wellington based Americans yesterday. Mainly supported Bernie sanders

 

 

 

 

 

They don't need to... They'll just point it to Fox saying "Even countries like NZ believe Trump is better... look! >>> *links to NZ Herald comments*"

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