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#2328802 3-Oct-2019 09:43

The Daily Mail - Boris Johnson's "final" masterplan for a Brexit deal is revealed:

2 October 2019

   Boris Johnson's EU envoy David Frost delivered his new 'do or die' Brexit blueprint to officials in Brussels
   It includes a five-point plan to scrap the Irish backstop that would have to be approved by NI Assembly
   If they agree they Belfast and Dublin will be given huge cash injections from Whitehall to ensure it works
   It would mean N Ireland leaving customs union with UK but remaining in single market to avoid hard border
   Freedom of movement over Irish border is guaranteed along with continuing of Good Friday Agreement

The Daily Mail - The best jokes in Boris Johnson’s Tory conference speech

2 October 2019

Boris Johnson has developed a reputation as a politician who loves to litter his speeches with jokes.

On Parliament and Brexit

He said: 'We are like a world class athlete with a pebble in our shoe. There is one part of the British system that seems to be on the blink.

'If parliament were a laptop, then the screen would be showing the pizza wheel of doom.'

On John Bercow and attempts to stop Brexit

He said: 'If parliament were a reality TV show the whole lot of us would have been voted out of the jungle by now.

'But at least we could have watched the Speaker being forced to eat a kangaroo testicle.'

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#2328938 3-Oct-2019 11:28

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Boris Johnson has developed a reputation as a politician who loves to litter his speeches with jokes.

I saw the speech. He was very funny, and very appealing. No wonder (some) people like him. If Trump had a brain and a sense of humour, he might be something like this.

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#2328990 3-Oct-2019 11:52

Rikkitic:

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Boris Johnson has developed a reputation as a politician who loves to litter his speeches with jokes.

I saw the speech. He was very funny, and very appealing. No wonder (some) people like him. If Trump had a brain and a sense of humour, he might be something like this.

Maybe he's been getting comedy lessons from "Monica" Zelensky.

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#2328991 3-Oct-2019 11:52

When people say that Trump and Johnson are similar I sometimes think it is a little unfair.

It's like saying The AB's and Timaru Boys High School both play rugby. Yes they do but at completely different levels.

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#2329023 3-Oct-2019 13:07

Fred99:Maybe he's been getting comedy lessons from "Monica" Zelensky.

Off-topic I didn't know who this was till I looked it up

Ukraine’s president is being dubbed “Monica Zelensky” at home

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#2329051 3-Oct-2019 14:01

kingdragonfly:
Fred99:Maybe he's been getting comedy lessons from "Monica" Zelensky.

Off-topic I didn't know who this was till I looked it up

Ukraine’s president is being dubbed “Monica Zelensky” at home

Note to everyone: If Trump or any representative initiates a telephone call, meeting, email, record / save it. It will bite you in the bum.

Well ScoMo, BoJo and Zelensky are in the same boat. Trump's asked them each to dig dirt, so far ScoMo and BoJo haven't had transcripts released, and there's strong suspicion that the Zelensky call which lasted 30 minutes has been redacted and only a "sanitised" version released which can be read at normal speaking pace in 10 minutes. I doubt the missing ~2/3 of the call was 20 minutes of heavy breathing at each other.

The fact that Trump asked for the favour is a de-facto admission by the POTUS that he knows the Mueller enquiry condemned him and his pack of scumbags, and wants their help to try to dishonestly bury it using illegal (in the US) tactics.

Remember the "new world order" conspiracy theory decades ago? That seems to be what Trump's trying to achieve, a coalition of conservative right-wing and white world governments who fall in line. Zelensky is in a terrible situation, with a remarkably pro-Russia POTUS who probably only reluctantly offers protection, whatever he says or even doesn't say about the call is a huge risk. What if there is transcript of the 20 minutes, and if there is (probably), then what's the chance it'll come out?

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#2329077 3-Oct-2019 15:31

SJB:
When people say that Trump and Johnson are similar I sometimes think it is a little unfair.

It's like saying The AB's and Timaru Boys High School both play rugby. Yes they do but at completely different levels.

If Trump and Johnson were similar fish - they would both be gropers apparently.

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#2329426 4-Oct-2019 09:00

BBC News - Brexit: Europe's media scorn Johnson's 'unrealistic' plans

By BBC Monitoring - The world through its media

Irish newspapers are resoundingly unimpressed with Boris Johnson's proposed Brexit deal and many commentators in Europe are similarly dismissive of it.

Several say the UK prime minister's description of the Irish border issue as a "technical" one shows a lack of sensitivity to its political meaning.

Many believe his plans have less to do with formulating a realistic agreement and more to do with preparing for a general election.

Some are frustrated at what they perceive to be the deliberate opacity of Mr Johnson's intentions. ...

Mr Johnson's proposals are "unrealistic and unworkable", says the Irish Times.

"Boris Johnson's new Brexit proposal is ... equally bad for all," says a commentator in Germany's Süddeutsche Zeitung.

Italy's La Repubblica also calls his proposal could be "an attempt to exasperate the EU and to have doors slammed in his face, just as he would prefer".

Europe wants to avoid at any cost Johnson being able to blame [it] for a hard Brexit", notes Belgium's De Standaard.

"Hard Brexit now looks unavoidable," says the Polish Rzeczpospolita.

"Boris Johnson seems prepared to defy the law to try to force a 'no-deal' Brexit," says Sweden's Dagens Nyheter.

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#2329434 4-Oct-2019 09:19

On one hand, Boris is being disingenuous, not candid or sincere.

On the other hand, the American humorist Evan Esar said "A compromise is a settlement by which each side gets what neither side wanted."

I do not have even the tiniest of influence, or knowledge of Brexit.

Perhaps consider the first referendum compromised.

Just like buying a bad car, a lemon, perhaps consider the interim as a "cooling off period", and have a new referendum.

Just a thought.

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#2329439 4-Oct-2019 09:30

What I see here and in America, is that no-one cares about facts or realities anymore. All they care about is getting their own way, by whatever means they can.

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#2329499 4-Oct-2019 10:52

I think in a many situations people are influenced mainly by things other than facts eg emotions, cultural influences, peer pressure, the list is very long. Facts are, in a lot of cases, at the bottom of the list. People 'feel' one way or another. They may try and justify the feeling with selective facts but it's the feeling that is the main reason they take one position or the other.

For example, if you take just the facts, the death penalty is a good idea. Reduces the cost to the taxpayer, provides the bereaved with closure and revenge etc.

But most people (me included) find the death penalty completely unacceptable and would never vote for it.

Trump and Brexit are 2 prime examples where feelings override fact. I don't understand how anyone can vote for Trump because of the facts but many do based on 'feeling'. But then I support Brexit simply because I 'feel' in the long run it will be the better outcome. Facts don't enter in to it.

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#2329502 4-Oct-2019 10:57

SJB:

I think in a many situations people are influenced mainly by things other than facts eg emotions, cultural influences, peer pressure, the list is very long. Facts are, in a lot of cases, at the bottom of the list. People 'feel' one way or another. They may try and justify the feeling with selective facts but it's the feeling that is the main reason they take one position or the other.

For example, if you take just the facts, the death penalty is a good idea. Reduces the cost to the taxpayer, provides the bereaved with closure and revenge etc.

But most people (me included) find the death penalty completely unacceptable and would never vote for it.

Trump and Brexit are 2 prime examples where feelings override fact. I don't understand how anyone can vote for Trump because of the facts but many do based on 'feeling'. But then I support Brexit simply because I 'feel' in the long run it will be the better outcome. Facts don't enter in to it.

Fact, the death penalty costs more money by the time they go through all the appeal processes etc etc etc.

In general, the gang members on death row live longer than if they were on the streets

And the death penalty does not act as a disincentive to commit murder.

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#2329507 4-Oct-2019 11:08

Precisely my point. Supporters of the death penalty will ignore all the facts you have presented and I would use your sort facts to support my position but only after I had already had the 'feeling' the death penalty was wrong.

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#2329780 4-Oct-2019 22:45

BBC News - Court to consider if PM can be jailed over no-deal

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A Scottish judge is being asked to consider whether Boris Johnson could be jailed if he takes the UK out of the EU without a deal.

A legal challenge is to be heard at the Court of Session about whether the prime minister could be forced to delay Brexit if no exit deal is agreed.

However, Mr Johnson has said he would rather be "dead in a ditch" than ask European leaders for another extension.

The court case seeks to establish what might happen if he refuses to act....

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#2331352 6-Oct-2019 11:36

The marchers are walking from Holyrood Park to a rally in The Meadows

BBC News - Thousands march in support of Scottish independence

today

Thousands of people have marched through Edinburgh in support of Scottish independence.

There was a carnival atmosphere as they waved flags and banners from Holyrood Park to a rally in The Meadows. ...

Images show Edinburgh's iconic landmarks and streets packed with thousands of campaigners and a sea of Saltire flags.

BREXIT will have repercussions. Next: Northern Ireland and Wales.

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