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#1887549 21-Oct-2017 19:39

Anthony Gough (property developer) points out that half the people working on some of his projects come from the Phillipines. I have no problem with that because virtually all building work is skilled & being young and fit is a help too. And same goes for the dairy farms I guess. And, as Gough says some of those Kiwi born people sitting on pavements (begging) look young and fit enough to be trained up to do building. Whether some would pass a drugs test is an entirely different question.

However, I do have a problem with the number of unskilled immigrants doing jobs such as cleaning and stacking shelves in the supermarkets. This is the category of immigrant that Labour and NZ First appear to be targeting. It seems that Winston Peters has had to swallow a dead rat & go along with Labour's more moderate immigration reduction targets.

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#1887550 21-Oct-2017 19:40

Why does Labours reducing immigration policy include students? They are temporary. They bring fees, BIG fees.

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#1887552 21-Oct-2017 19:44

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Anthony Gough (property developer) points out that half the people working on some of his projects come from the Phillipines. I have no problem with that because virtually all building work is skilled & being young and fit is a help too. And same goes for the dairy farms I guess. And, as Gough says some of those Kiwi born people sitting on pavements (begging) look young and fit enough to be trained up to do building. Whether some would pass a drugs test is an entirely different question.

However, I do have a problem with the number of unskilled immigrants doing jobs such as cleaning and stacking shelves in the supermarkets. This is the category of immigrant that Labour and NZ First appear to be targeting. It seems that Winston Peters has had to swallow a dead rat & go along with Labour's more moderate immigration reduction targets.

Compromise, what coalitons are good at. No radical changes, more steady and stable. Plus they build on positives from both and reduce negatives from both. Water tax is gone too, same reason

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#1887580 21-Oct-2017 21:16

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amiga500:

Anthony Gough (property developer) points out that half the people working on some of his projects come from the Phillipines. I have no problem with that because virtually all building work is skilled & being young and fit is a help too. And same goes for the dairy farms I guess. And, as Gough says some of those Kiwi born people sitting on pavements (begging) look young and fit enough to be trained up to do building. Whether some would pass a drugs test is an entirely different question.

However, I do have a problem with the number of unskilled immigrants doing jobs such as cleaning and stacking shelves in the supermarkets. This is the category of immigrant that Labour and NZ First appear to be targeting. It seems that Winston Peters has had to swallow a dead rat & go along with Labour's more moderate immigration reduction targets.

Compromise, what coalitons are good at. No radical changes, more steady and stable. Plus they build on positives from both and reduce negatives from both. Water tax is gone too, same reason

And yet we are told that Peters awarded the election to Labour to facilitate change?

Surely leaving the incumbent would have been the epitome of steady and stable?

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#1887604 21-Oct-2017 21:18

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Does anyone have a link to the party votes breakdown for each region?

Did AKL/Chch/Rural (farmers) all voted National and the rest of the country voted for the governing parties for example.

Everywhere outside the cities is National. There's a map on Wikipedia.

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#1887607 21-Oct-2017 21:34

tdgeek:
Why does Labours reducing immigration policy include students? They are temporary. They bring fees, BIG fees.

Has the new government released any policy yet or is this just talkback type talk?

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#1887612 21-Oct-2017 22:32

A lot of those students are doing *** low value courses through "institutions" just so they can get their foot in the door.

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#1887615 21-Oct-2017 23:10

gzt:
tdgeek:

Why does Labours reducing immigration policy include students? They are temporary. They bring fees, BIG fees.

Has the new government released any policy yet or is this just talkback type talk?

the new govt has not been formed yet. give them a few days.

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#1887621 21-Oct-2017 23:48

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A lot of those students are doing *** low value courses through "institutions" just so they can get their foot in the door.

That's right - there's been some shocking stories of incompetence and corruption at some of these institutions not to mention the behaviour of some agents who arrange it for the hapless student and their families.

Most of the posters in this thread are just like chimpanzees on MDMA, full of feelings of bonhomie, joy, and optimism. Fred99 8/4/21

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#1887622 21-Oct-2017 23:50

Geektastic:
tdgeek:

amiga500:

Anthony Gough (property developer) points out that half the people working on some of his projects come from the Phillipines. I have no problem with that because virtually all building work is skilled & being young and fit is a help too. And same goes for the dairy farms I guess. And, as Gough says some of those Kiwi born people sitting on pavements (begging) look young and fit enough to be trained up to do building. Whether some would pass a drugs test is an entirely different question.

However, I do have a problem with the number of unskilled immigrants doing jobs such as cleaning and stacking shelves in the supermarkets. This is the category of immigrant that Labour and NZ First appear to be targeting. It seems that Winston Peters has had to swallow a dead rat & go along with Labour's more moderate immigration reduction targets.

Compromise, what coalitons are good at. No radical changes, more steady and stable. Plus they build on positives from both and reduce negatives from both. Water tax is gone too, same reason

And yet we are told that Peters awarded the election to Labour to facilitate change?

Surely leaving the incumbent would have been the epitome of steady and stable?

No, they were running the place into the ground and hadn't had a bright idea for so long it was starting to hurt.

Bill was starting to grab all of labour's policies anyway - so you're not going to get any different either way.

Most of the posters in this thread are just like chimpanzees on MDMA, full of feelings of bonhomie, joy, and optimism. Fred99 8/4/21

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#1887632 22-Oct-2017 04:20

elpenguino:
Geektastic:
tdgeek:

amiga500:

Anthony Gough (property developer) points out that half the people working on some of his projects come from the Phillipines. I have no problem with that because virtually all building work is skilled & being young and fit is a help too. And same goes for the dairy farms I guess. And, as Gough says some of those Kiwi born people sitting on pavements (begging) look young and fit enough to be trained up to do building. Whether some would pass a drugs test is an entirely different question.

However, I do have a problem with the number of unskilled immigrants doing jobs such as cleaning and stacking shelves in the supermarkets. This is the category of immigrant that Labour and NZ First appear to be targeting. It seems that Winston Peters has had to swallow a dead rat & go along with Labour's more moderate immigration reduction targets.

Compromise, what coalitons are good at. No radical changes, more steady and stable. Plus they build on positives from both and reduce negatives from both. Water tax is gone too, same reason

And yet we are told that Peters awarded the election to Labour to facilitate change?

Surely leaving the incumbent would have been the epitome of steady and stable?

No, they were running the place into the ground and hadn't had a bright idea for so long it was starting to hurt.

Bill was starting to grab all of labour's policies anyway - so you're not going to get any different either way.

Some evidence that they were 'running the place into the ground please.

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#1887637 22-Oct-2017 07:40

gzt:
tdgeek:

Why does Labours reducing immigration policy include students? They are temporary. They bring fees, BIG fees.

Has the new government released any policy yet or is this just talkback type talk?

The media article I read a few days ago, ran over the immigration policy, which included reduction son student and work visas. Work visas yes, but students? Get as many students here as we can fit in, just make applying to PR based on whatever the new rules will be

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#1887638 22-Oct-2017 07:41

bmt:

A lot of those students are doing *** low value courses through "institutions" just so they can get their foot in the door.

Allow that, but the foot in the door is now a new issue. We get millions on foreign money imported for education, we should protect that.

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#1887641 22-Oct-2017 07:45

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elpenguino:

Geektastic:
tdgeek:

amiga500:

Anthony Gough (property developer) points out that half the people working on some of his projects come from the Phillipines. I have no problem with that because virtually all building work is skilled & being young and fit is a help too. And same goes for the dairy farms I guess. And, as Gough says some of those Kiwi born people sitting on pavements (begging) look young and fit enough to be trained up to do building. Whether some would pass a drugs test is an entirely different question.

However, I do have a problem with the number of unskilled immigrants doing jobs such as cleaning and stacking shelves in the supermarkets. This is the category of immigrant that Labour and NZ First appear to be targeting. It seems that Winston Peters has had to swallow a dead rat & go along with Labour's more moderate immigration reduction targets.

Compromise, what coalitons are good at. No radical changes, more steady and stable. Plus they build on positives from both and reduce negatives from both. Water tax is gone too, same reason

And yet we are told that Peters awarded the election to Labour to facilitate change?

Surely leaving the incumbent would have been the epitome of steady and stable?

No, they were running the place into the ground and hadn't had a bright idea for so long it was starting to hurt.

Bill was starting to grab all of labour's policies anyway - so you're not going to get any different either way.

Some evidence that they were 'running the place into the ground please.

Health, way underfunded

Housing Crisis, there is no housing crisis, but in any case. the market manages that, = housing crisis

Waterways, add monitors thats it

Infratstructure, no action, except for this election.

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#1887649 22-Oct-2017 08:26

tdgeek:

bmt:

A lot of those students are doing *** low value courses through "institutions" just so they can get their foot in the door.

Allow that, but the foot in the door is now a new issue. We get millions on foreign money imported for education, we should protect that.

We don't need money for education, it's going to be free. No only the courses become free, but you get paid more to drink and party during your free courses.

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