Christchurch Mosque Shooting

To post in this sub-forum you must have made 100 posts or have Trust status or have completed our ID Verification

Forums › Politics › Christchurch Mosque Shooting

1 | ... | 28 | 29 | 30 | 31 | 32 | 33 | 34 | 35 | 36 | 37 | 38 | ... | 79

3629 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 2572

ID Verified

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2201279 18-Mar-2019 23:35

After spending the last hour or so on right-wing Twitter. It saddens me how many messed up NZers there are.

Professional people who either hide in plain sight or not and happily express their vile views among their friends.

Oblivian

7345 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 2117

ID Verified

#2201280 18-Mar-2019 23:40

BarTender:

After spending the last hour or so on right-wing Twitter. It saddens me how many messed up NZers there are.

Professional people who either hide in plain sight or not and happily express their vile views among their friends.

Did a PSA on my SM today pleading people to stop commenting on dubious pages or posts they felt their opinion needed to be known. Feed was indirectly full of stuff I wouldn't normally give the time of day to etc who strive on virality. And simply interacting was spreading its reach to everyone else you are linked to.

Ge0rge

2115 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 2061

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2201285 18-Mar-2019 23:54

tdgeek:

Its this type of thing that will create a lifestyle where all of us are ready to dob in anyone displaying any clues of deviance. Ridiculous thought but maybe history books might refer to this as the egg that changed everything. Its up to everyone to learn about what to look for and to be a passive extension of the Police.

My only concern is that we are supporting violence as an action against the MP. Don't get me wrong, what he said was vile, offensive and unacceptable. However egg boy assaulted someone. It absolutely should not have had to come to that for something to happen for what was said - he should have been given the boot from parliament instantly.

I know that he'll end up in front of a judge, and probably be slapped with a wet bus ticket (hopefully at most) but there are an awful lot of people saying "good on you for assaulting someone who said something that you didn't like"

Where does the line get drawn? Or have I missed something here?

tdgeek

30048 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 9455

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2201290 19-Mar-2019 00:04

Ge0rge:
tdgeek:

Its this type of thing that will create a lifestyle where all of us are ready to dob in anyone displaying any clues of deviance. Ridiculous thought but maybe history books might refer to this as the egg that changed everything. Its up to everyone to learn about what to look for and to be a passive extension of the Police.

My only concern is that we are supporting violence as an action against the MP. Don't get me wrong, what he said was vile, offensive and unacceptable. However egg boy assaulted someone. It absolutely should not have had to come to that for something to happen for what was said - he should have been given the boot from parliament instantly.

I know that he'll end up in front of a judge, and probably be slapped with a wet bus ticket (hopefully at most) but there are an awful lot of people saying "good on you for assaulting someone who said something that you didn't like"

Where does the line get drawn? Or have I missed something here?

There is someone here, who has serious views on free speech and suchlike. Serious views. No, its not the nasty one.

That poster has posted saying that he/she has changed his/her mind to a degree. The serious opinions still stand, but they do not include people who support what the terrorist has done or what he stand for. The MP stands for that. he falls below the bar, rules dont apply. There is a one million petition to oust him, its that quick. I support the rule of law, anti violence, but there is a line that exists and these deviants are below that line. Their need is to destroy society, there cannot be an exemption for that. Thats my personal opinion.

Ge0rge

2115 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 2061

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2201293 19-Mar-2019 00:14

I whole-heartedly agree with you @tdgeek, and that the MP wasn't ousted from parliament by his party for gross misconduct goes to show the extent, of which another article I read posted here described, of the rot within their government. The fact that over a million people have signed the petition and yet the MP is still employed is even more of a blight on their government - not to mention he is now trying to defend what he said as being "taken out of context" ugh, just despicable.

I also read the post you refer to, and agreed with the sentiment - I'm just concerned that violence seems to be being condoned in this instance.

DarthKermit

5346 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 3317

Trusted

#2201305 19-Mar-2019 02:33

Oblivian:

Did a PSA on my SM today pleading people to stop commenting...

I'm sorry, but what the hell does that even mean?

chatterbox

204 posts

Master Geek
+1 received by user: 108

#2201311 19-Mar-2019 06:22

Ge0rge: I whole-heartedly agree with you @tdgeek, and that the MP wasn't ousted from parliament by his party for gross misconduct goes to show the extent, of which another article I read posted here described, of the rot within their government. The fact that over a million people have signed the petition and yet the MP is still employed is even more of a blight on their government - not to mention he is now trying to defend what he said as being "taken out of context" ugh, just despicable.

I also read the post you refer to, and agreed with the sentiment - I'm just concerned that violence seems to be being condoned in this instance.

They voted a while ago that they couldn’t remove them. Doing some censure motion which doesn’t amount to much. A scolding. Elections are in May and he’s likely to get kicked out then.

I do wonder how much clout these online petitions really have.

But Qantas is reviewing Fraser Annings access to Chairman’s Lounge. I love it when big corporations come to the party and hit them from the side! They don’t have to wait for any court of law. Anning should drop the charges against eggboy.

Never say never

Oblivian

7345 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 2117

ID Verified

#2201327 19-Mar-2019 07:46

DarthKermit:
Oblivian:

Did a PSA on my SM today pleading people to stop commenting...

I'm sorry, but what the hell does that even mean?

Public service announcement on social media.

Just as the same you found on twitter bad stuff in your face.

networkn

Networkn
32876 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 15477

ID Verified

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2201358 19-Mar-2019 08:54

Ge0rge:

My only concern is that we are supporting violence as an action against the MP. Don't get me wrong, what he said was vile, offensive and unacceptable. However egg boy assaulted someone. It absolutely should not have had to come to that for something to happen for what was said - he should have been given the boot from parliament instantly.

I agree with you entirely. The MP in question in my view isn't fit to be an MP and should really be investigated, and ejected. But violence as a retaliatory action esp given the climate we now face is totally unacceptable. It's even more unacceptable that it's being glorified here and other places online as if he "deserved it".

Sideface

9654 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 15614

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2201362 19-Mar-2019 09:02

networkn:

... But violence as a retaliatory action esp given the climate we now face is totally unacceptable. It's even more unacceptable that it's being glorified here and other places online as if he "deserved it".

We're talking about an egg (an old and symbolic form of political protest), not an AR15 assault rifle. 🤕

Sideface

tdgeek

30048 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 9455

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2201363 19-Mar-2019 09:07

Its an egg and a teen. Blame him for not being mature enough when faced with comments that Muslims are to blame. Assault by an adult is more pertinent, and the heavies holding the slight teen down. This is a first world country, the causation act is disgusting, the teen was illegal, and the following was disgusting. Or we can tolerate aka allow people in Government to support discrimination.

I don't condone violence but this world is out of control. Its below the bar

networkn

Networkn
32876 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 15477

ID Verified

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2201368 19-Mar-2019 09:12

So we are OK if our kids are enacting violence now? Where is the line? What age is it not ok?

How much force is ok? If the egg had done serious damage to his eyes, still ok?

If you want violence to stop, it needs to stop completely.

I am shocked by the responses I am seeing. Really.

Bluntj

585 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 284

#2201369 19-Mar-2019 09:14

BarTender:

After spending the last hour or so on right-wing Twitter. It saddens me how many messed up NZers there are.

Professional people who either hide in plain sight or not and happily express their vile views among their friends.

It isnt new, its been this way forever and will continue. Sadly racism is part of the human condition, always has and always will. The main issue in these times is that we have social media to propagate and exaggerate these views and to provide a place for these sad human beings to congregate.

Bluntj

585 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 284

#2201370 19-Mar-2019 09:16

networkn:

So we are OK if our kids are enacting violence now? Where is the line? What age is it not ok?

How much force is ok? If the egg had done serious damage to his eyes, still ok?

If you want violence to stop, it needs to stop completely.

I am shocked by the responses I am seeing. Really.

As a child, did you play doctors and nurses or cowboys and indians? The only thing that has changed is social media.

Sideface

9654 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 15614

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2201377 19-Mar-2019 09:29

This is a long article in praise of Jacinda Ardern's response to the Christchurch massacre, from an overseas perspective.

As it is behind a paywall, I make no apologies for posting the full text.

The Washington Post - New Zealand’s prime minister receives worldwide praise for her response to the mosque shootings

March 18 at 8:01 AM

CHRISTCHURCH, New Zealand — For the first 16 months of her tenure, Jacinda Ardern was feted around an increasingly populist world for being young, female and progressive.

The 37-year-old New Zealand prime minister, together with Justin Trudeau of Canada and France’s Emmanuel Macron, were celebrated by some as the antidote to Donald Trump.

Vogue magazine ran a glamorous photo spread of her. She appeared on “The Late Show With Stephen Colbert.”

Sheryl Sandberg described her as a “political prodigy” when Ardern made Time magazine’s list of 100 “most influential people.”

A term was coined to describe the phenomenon: “Jacindamania.”

The sentiment only grew when she announced she was pregnant, becoming the second world leader to have a baby in office (Pakistan’s Benazir Bhutto was the first), and it grew again when she took her 3-month-old daughter to the United Nations General Assembly in New York.

At home, however, she has had plenty of political trials and tribulations; her handling of the economy has been criticized, and her efforts to introduce more affordable housing have been plagued by embarrassing bureaucratic blunders. Detractors said she was all style and no substance.

But these domestic problems did not dent the perception of her abroad as an inspirational leader for the modern age.

Now, Jacindamania has taken on a new and totally different dimension in the last few days, since mass shootings at two mosques in Christchurch left 50 dead and 40 injured.

New Zealand has never experienced this kind of attack before, and it has shaken the country.

Many have lauded Ardern’s response. She swiftly labeled the attacks “terrorism” and bluntly called an Australian lawmaker’s suggestion of a link between Muslim immigration and violence “a disgrace.”

“Ardern’s performance has been extraordinary - and I believe she will be strongly lauded for it both domestically and internationally,” political commentator Bryce Edwards told Reuters.

When she went to Christchurch on Saturday, a day after the attacks, Ardern visited members of the refugee and Muslim community. Dressed in black and wearing a Muslim-style headscarf known as a hijab, she tearfully told them that the whole country was “united in grief.”

Wearing hijab was “a sign of respect,” wrote Negar Mortazavi, an Iranian American journalist and commentator.

It was not just her dress that won her more fans abroad. Many people also praised her pledge to cover the funeral costs of all 50 victims and offer financial assistance to the families, as well as her swift action on gun control. Her government will introduce gun measures in Parliament next week.

Sadiq Khan, the mayor of London, tweeted a photo of Ardern hugging a Muslim woman and noted that, when in London last year, she had talked about “the importance of inclusivity and equality in society.”

Adil Ray, a British actor and TV presenter, said he was “really impressed” with Ardern for her “swift, strong leadership.”

Cihangir Islam, a Turkish lawmaker from an opposition Islamist party, also praised Ardern. She “says to Muslims in pain, ‘You, you’re us!’ She symbolically covers her head when she goes to a home for condolences; she boldly underlines her respect and solidarity. How thirsty we have become for justice and mercy in state administration,” Islam wrote.

Abdulkhaleq Abdulla, a professor of political science in Dubai, said she was “stoic and firm.”

A video showing Ardern hugging a Muslim woman and consoling her caused a similar reaction.

“Can you imagine having a leader of a country showing this kind of empathy? Thank you, Jacinda Ardern, for reminding the world what a Leader is and could be,” London literary agent Jonny Geller wrote in a post that has garnered 58,000 likes.

The fact that a world leader covered her hair to meet Muslims quickly became a symbol of Ardern’s approach.

One particular photo captured the public imagination. It is a photo of Ardern, listening intently with an agonized look on her face and her hands clasped together. It has been shared widely on social networks, lauded as a portrait of a compassionate leader.

The photo was taken by Kirk Hargreaves, who used to be a photographer for the Christchurch newspaper the Press but now works for the Christchurch City Council. It was shared on the council’s Twitter page.

“The moment I saw her face pop up, and what was happening with the flowers, I fully knew [it was important]. It's a religious photo in a way, a photo of a mix of religious symbolism. It looks like stain glass, there's the Muslim hijab, and colours of Hindu religion. It's a universal picture,” Hargreaves told the Sydney Morning Herald.

“The human empathy and all those amazing human traits she’s showing in the picture, I’m glad people resonated with that,” he said.

Faiza Ali, a community organizer in New York, tweeted the photo, calling Ardern a “remarkable leader.”

The Crisis Magazine, the official publication of the NAACP, also tweeted the photo, saying Ardern showed “Dignity. Grace. Courage.”

END

Sideface

1 | ... | 28 | 29 | 30 | 31 | 32 | 33 | 34 | 35 | 36 | 37 | 38 | ... | 79