Don Brash with Kim Hill. RNZ needs a new feature in their app

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#1912525 4-Dec-2017 10:03

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It is a very significant part of New Zealand culture and history, in case you're not aware, it is one of the two official languages of New Zealand and just as important as the other one.

Actually, it is one of three official languages - people always forget sign language, which somehow is rarely seen as important. All those entitled elitists with their working ears and ability to speak...

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#1912583 4-Dec-2017 11:45

If you want a language to survive it's children who must learn it. No amount of broadcasting it is going to make a difference.

Most adults don't have the time or inclination to learn a new language (apart from the odd word) no matter what it is and I'm sure I read somewhere once that a 'switch' goes off in your brain around your teenage years which makes learning language much more difficult. Presumably because as an adult you have a myriad of other things to concentrate on.

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#1912621 4-Dec-2017 12:53

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Had NZ been colonised by another Nation such as France or Portugal we would now have a language that is less useful than English.    The French are so desperate to preserve the French language that newspapers in English are actually printed in Belgium and brought into France.    If you stay in a hotel you may find an English speaking news channel but it will come from Spain and so on.    Go to many countries in Europe & often the younger people speak English well - they may have had English lessons from age 5 or 6 to 12 years or more.

Get on a plane just about anywhere & if they have a safety briefing and greeting the second language will be English. (I say this based on my very limited international travel, and from watching too many trip reports on Youtube!)   Likewise for airports the signage will be in the language of the country plus in English. English is the language used for air traffic control.    From an ease of use & maybe even safety, this is an advantage for pilots of Qantas and Air New Zealand. When you check in at CDG in Paris you may be served by a person who can speak perfect English.

So, what I am saying is that every person in NZ should be very grateful that we have English.    And yes, learning another language is a really really good thing to do.

When I was working in the DIA, two colleagues were arguing over the correct way to put something in English. Neither was correct, so I cleared my throat and said "As the only person in the office who actually speaks English..."

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#1912649 4-Dec-2017 13:27

Why do people think that the purpose that RNZ are introducing Te Reo is so they can learn it?

Maybe the prime reason RNZ is incorporating Te Reo into their programming is out of respect for the language and for Te Reo speakers.

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#1912653 4-Dec-2017 13:33

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Why do people think that the purpose that RNZ are introducing Te Reo is so they can learn it?

Maybe the prime reason RNZ is incorporating Te Reo into their programming is out of respect for the language and for Te Reo speakers.

What percentage of people who listen to NR are Maori, or Maori speakers, I'd imagine they would be dwarfed by Chinese/Indian Speakers.

I don't have a massive issue with it, however, I feel it should be something that is an option rather than mandatory, for each reporter to decide how they wish to sign off their articles.

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#1912669 4-Dec-2017 14:10

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dafman:

Why do people think that the purpose that RNZ are introducing Te Reo is so they can learn it?

Maybe the prime reason RNZ is incorporating Te Reo into their programming is out of respect for the language and for Te Reo speakers.

What percentage of people who listen to NR are Maori, or Maori speakers, I'd imagine they would be dwarfed by Chinese/Indian Speakers.

I don't have a massive issue with it, however, I feel it should be something that is an option rather than mandatory, for each reporter to decide how they wish to sign off their articles.

It's not about percentages. Chinese and Indian are not official languages of Aotearoa, nor are they indigenous. Te Reo is both of these.

And it is optional. You have the option to tune into Mike Hosking on ZB or any other morning show if you'd prefer.

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#1912674 4-Dec-2017 14:22

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#1913140 5-Dec-2017 10:13

I think on balance what Brash is asking for is impractical and not worth making a fuss over and ultimately he is trying to limit someone else's freedom of speech because something irritates him. If he doesn't like what RNZ are doing he can tune into another station.

Personally I prefer it when te reo is translated so I can understand it. But I realise this can be time consuming so isn't always practical. Tamati Coffey's recent TV show about people leaving Auckland for smaller centres show how cumbersome sequential translation can be. I could always learn te reo and then I wouldn't need it translated for me.

I find te reo's status interesting: While it's officially an official language, non-Maori speakers have been publicly criticised for using te reo in ways that some Maori people haven't agreed with. For example lion breweries' 'league is mana' promotion or general angst about poor pronunciation of Maori place names.

There aren't the same issues with using English and consequently English offers more freedom of expression.

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#1913371 5-Dec-2017 14:55

MikeAqua:

I think on balance what Brash is asking for is impractical and not worth making a fuss over and ultimately he is trying to limit someone else's freedom of speech because something irritates him. If he doesn't like what RNZ are doing he can tune into another station.

Personally I prefer it when te reo is translated so I can understand it. But I realise this can be time consuming so isn't always practical. Tamati Coffey's recent TV show about people leaving Auckland for smaller centres show how cumbersome sequential translation can be. I could always learn te reo and then I wouldn't need it translated for me.

I find te reo's status interesting: While it's officially an official language, non-Maori speakers have been publicly criticised for using te reo in ways that some Maori people haven't agreed with. For example lion breweries' 'league is mana' promotion or general angst about poor pronunciation of Maori place names.

There aren't the same issues with using English and consequently English offers more freedom of expression.

True. Then there is the pronunciation issue. As a parallel, there are literally dozens (if not more) words that Kiwis pronounce, in my view as an Englishman, incorrectly. However, we do not generally jump up and down and have a fit when people tell us they are working on a pro - jekt rather than a projject, or that their computer "darter" is corrupt and so on.

The oddity is that non-native Maori speakers are commonly held to the same standard of pronunciation as native speakers (it seems) whereas for example no Frenchman will call his capital "Pariss" rather than "Paree". However we do not then jump up and down demanding that people pronounce the capital of France correctly.

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#1913384 5-Dec-2017 15:17

I can assure you that the French take great offense when hapless foreigners garble pronunciation of their words. From some comments I have seen, Maori are not just being precious flowers here. What they object to is people not even making a feeble effort to attempt approximate pronunciation. They rightly perceive that as an insult, as in I hold this language in such contempt that it is not worth making any effort over. Maybe English speakers aren't bothered by this because English is constantly mutilated by people all over the world. It is in no way an endangered language, merely a tortured one.

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#1913385 5-Dec-2017 15:20

I can imagine Maori's cringing painfully every night at 5pm as John Campbell tries to be trendy and speak some Maori. I am not Maori and it makes me wince when I hear it.

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#1913402 5-Dec-2017 16:02

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I can imagine Maori's cringing painfully every night at 5pm as John Campbell tries to be trendy and speak some Maori. I am not Maori and it makes me wince when I hear it.

Why? do you cringe if a German or a Chinese persons attempts to speak English?

In my circle of family and friends they are OK with it and will help with the correct pronunciation.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1913403 5-Dec-2017 16:05

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Why? do you cringe if a German or a Chinese persons attempts to speak English?

It depends on how badly they butcher it. :)

Most Germans I have had anything to do with, including 7 days in Berlin, speak better English than most Kiwi's I know :)

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#1913404 5-Dec-2017 16:06

networkn:

I can imagine Maori's cringing painfully every night at 5pm as John Campbell tries to be trendy and speak some Maori. I am not Maori and it makes me wince when I hear it.

Sometimes it's hard to figure out who you dislike most.

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#1913407 5-Dec-2017 16:09

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networkn:

I can imagine Maori's cringing painfully every night at 5pm as John Campbell tries to be trendy and speak some Maori. I am not Maori and it makes me wince when I hear it.

Sometimes it's hard to figure out who you dislike most.

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