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#3025654 23-Jan-2023 08:49

johno1234:

All very easy to say this in hindsight but these people are required to carry the responsibility, and Treasury advise has been routinely ignored.

Stagflation now looms.

People who insist this was only something we can see with hindsight ignored the enormous amount of discussion at the time about RBNZ's lack of movement on interest rates when house prices exploded, or when they argued the inflation building in the economy was transitory. And it wasn't just punters either, there were comments from former senior RBNZ staff trying to ring alarm bells, which to my knowledge, doesn't happen often enough that we should just dismiss as noise when it does happen.

The reality is that there simply isn't any direct consequences for getting this as wrong as they did. It makes you wonder how badly an institution like this would have to perform for someone to not get reappointed, let alone pressured to consider 'spending more time with their family'.

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#3025672 23-Jan-2023 09:19

Why are all the experts here, instead of in government?

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#3025680 23-Jan-2023 09:26

Rikkitic:

Why are all the experts here, instead of in government?

Pick a subject, any subject and discuss it on the internet, thats the only place true experts exist isn't it?

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#3025681 23-Jan-2023 09:34

Rikkitic:

Why are all the experts here, instead of in government?

I didn't know Graham Wheeler was here.

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#3025683 23-Jan-2023 09:36

Rikkitic:

Why are all the experts here, instead of in government?

Why you here policing people's opinions on a discussion forum and not out on the beat with the rest of the cops?

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#3025690 23-Jan-2023 10:07

So...back to Mr Hipkins for a moment.

It would appear that the Labour Party have chosen to remain on track with their "nice" agenda for the short term, at least.

He seems personable, likeable and on the surface a decent human. All the things that Ms Ardern was at the beginning.

I don't vote Labour. I don't agree with much they say or do and I think they've been an awful coalition government leader, but at the end of the day, they've chosen fairly wisely in Chris Hipkins, I think.

The next few months will be interesting...there'll no doubt be the usual vote buying nonsense that every two-term government does at the end of their reign, pre-election, but what will they bring to the table to see them into a third term? A fresh leader who is already fairly popular is probably a good start.

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#3025694 23-Jan-2023 10:20

Handsomedan:

So...back to Mr Hipkins for a moment.

It would appear that the Labour Party have chosen to remain on track with their "nice" agenda for the short term, at least.

He seems personable, likeable and on the surface a decent human. All the things that Ms Ardern was at the beginning.

I don't vote Labour. I don't agree with much they say or do and I think they've been an awful coalition government leader, but at the end of the day, they've chosen fairly wisely in Chris Hipkins, I think.

The next few months will be interesting...there'll no doubt be the usual vote buying nonsense that every two-term government does at the end of their reign, pre-election, but what will they bring to the table to see them into a third term? A fresh leader who is already fairly popular is probably a good start.

Time will tell. It needs to be a fresh slate

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#3025699 23-Jan-2023 10:42

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Handsomedan:

So...back to Mr Hipkins for a moment.

It would appear that the Labour Party have chosen to remain on track with their "nice" agenda for the short term, at least.

He seems personable, likeable and on the surface a decent human. All the things that Ms Ardern was at the beginning.

I don't vote Labour. I don't agree with much they say or do and I think they've been an awful coalition government leader, but at the end of the day, they've chosen fairly wisely in Chris Hipkins, I think.

The next few months will be interesting...there'll no doubt be the usual vote buying nonsense that every two-term government does at the end of their reign, pre-election, but what will they bring to the table to see them into a third term? A fresh leader who is already fairly popular is probably a good start.

Time will tell. It needs to be a fresh slate

The big news is Chippie changing his nick to Choppie and taking a big axe to expensive and unpopular policies - in particular RNZ Merger and 3 Waters. These are linked to the powerful Labour Maori caucus. At the same time, Carmel Sepuloni was selected as deputy ahead of Kiri Allan from the Maori caucus. I believe that a significant reason for Ardern having "nothing left in the tank" was her inability to control the Maori caucus who seemed to be answerable to nobody. Now Hipkins is about to throw Willie Jackson's treasured RNZ merger and Nanaia Mahuta's treasured 3 Waters in the bin. What will be the reaction?

Wondering if the Auckland Light Rail project (costing tens of billions and going up all the time) is next on the chopping block. Expect CGT to be talked about in the election campaign too. Both were untouchable under Ardern.

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#3025703 23-Jan-2023 11:05

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Wondering if the Auckland Light Rail project (costing tens of billions and going up all the time) is next on the chopping block. Expect CGT to be talked about in the election campaign too. Both were untouchable under Ardern.

Auckland needs light rail and rapid transit, but it also needs a competent minister running it. Wood has delivered the same outcomes that Twyford did - a vastly over-engineered proposal that is going to cost billions more than it actually needs to, with zero metres of running track in place.

The option of walking back to the initial surface-level project with a realistic cost-per-km (instead of the insanely high number the case study used) would show Hipkins as understanding the needs of our cities but with an eye on reducing cost and speeding up the project itself.

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#3025712 23-Jan-2023 11:14

Hipkins has already touched on Taxes (can't find the article to link to now), but rolled out the tired old "pay their fair share" tripe that Labour always use when they want a group to pay more tax.

I think appointing Sepuloni was a very smart move. She ticks the "ethnic / diversity" box but isn't Maori so not accountable to the Maori caucus (she may well be the most qualified for the role and do a good job, but politics is about optics, and being seen to be diverse is a requirement).

Ditching 3 waters is a smart political move. So much negative public sentiment around it, it would certainly cost votes come October.

Ditching RNZ / TVNZ merger, I could take or leave that, not sure on the negative public pressure

Light rail? It could be money well spent, Auckland has to do something about transport, but I suspect that by the time routes are determined and agreed with stakeholders, tracks built and systems are all operating, we'll be somewhere in the mid 22nd century

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#3025715 23-Jan-2023 11:41

Interesting that "co-governance" was widely spoken about this morning by Hipkins. As referenced by those posters above, 3 waters is dead and the RNZ merger goes along with it. The Maori caucus may be losing some power after all.

"Hipkins said “everything” was up for review, as he stressed that the next few months would be focused on the cost of living and inflation.

But he also paid significant attention to “co-governance”, which he raised across most media interviews on Monday morning."

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#3025727 23-Jan-2023 12:07

Cynical but true at the same time: the number one rule of politics is to get elected. All else is secondary.

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#3025770 23-Jan-2023 14:09

johno1234:

The big news is Chippie changing his nick to Choppie and taking a big axe to expensive and unpopular policies - in particular RNZ Merger and 3 Waters. These are linked to the powerful Labour Maori caucus. At the same time, Carmel Sepuloni was selected as deputy ahead of Kiri Allan from the Maori caucus. I believe that a significant reason for Ardern having "nothing left in the tank" was her inability to control the Maori caucus who seemed to be answerable to nobody. Now Hipkins is about to throw Willie Jackson's treasured RNZ merger and Nanaia Mahuta's treasured 3 Waters in the bin. What will be the reaction?

Chris Trotter argues along similar lines: that Ardern saw a change in leadership as the only way around electorally unpalatable policy:

https://www.interest.co.nz/public-policy/119325/chris-trotter-says-if-chippy-able-steer-labour-less-contentious-and-more

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#3025856 23-Jan-2023 16:09

JPNZ: Interesting that "co-governance" was widely spoken about this morning by Hipkins. As referenced by those posters above, 3 waters is dead and the RNZ merger goes along with it. The Maori caucus may be losing some power after all.

Do you have any links for that? I've missed it. A poster in the Ardern topic claimed three waters had "entrenched voting rights" a statement which is completely inaccurate at best. And I've heard random people say much worse than that..

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#3025866 23-Jan-2023 16:42

tdgeek:

I find your assertion that we are a socialist country offending.

I've never had anyone else be offended by that, nor have any trouble understanding what I was implying.

NZ'rs expect the Government to take care of them. They don't accept avoidable death, we don't of recent times get involved in direct conflict. We don't allow people to starve to death here. We don't have third world poverty.

Hence the assertion that it was preposterous to suggest that GR wasn't going to use Tax Payer funds to provide a buffer to help with the lockdown. The issue was the huge in advance sums that were handed out with very little thought to the unintended consequences. Yes, there have been prosecutions. Token numbers which doesn't recover a fraction of what was claimed incorrectly, easily avoided by simply giving out a month in advance and then monthly or fortnightly from that point onward. The requirement to 'prove' you needed to qualify were so vague and unspecific as to allow people to claim when they certainly wouldn't have qualified under even the smallest of refinements in wording resulting in 'legitimate' claims that was clearly not in the spirit in which the funds should be used.

Equally used to describe how silly it is for anyone to suggest that had National had of been in power that thousands more would have died because all they care about is business, whilst the leader of the country would have been a devout Catholic (for whom life is sacred right or wrong), and a wife who is a well respected GP.( and Catholic).

Many of Labours policies have unintended consequences, because in reality, the people who make these decisions don't have any experience in the real world and think about things from a very different and sort of abstract view. $600M for a bike bridge!? Student loan policy where money was given up front with no accountability.

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