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#2878025 3-Mar-2022 08:09

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Handle9: It’ll be interesting to see the political outcomes from the protest being broken up. These sort of things are normally great for the government of the day.

Labour & Jacinda allowed the protest to grow to that size. I don't think its going to be great for the government.

The left bloc has already been bleeding support to the right for months

There is a constitutional convention separating operational control of the police from the government of the day. I’m assuming you understand why.

The responsibility lies with the commissioner.

The bleeding you are referring to is from ACT to National. Left to right is reasonably stable.

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#2878033 3-Mar-2022 08:22

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The bleeding you are referring to is from ACT to National. Left to right is reasonably stable.

Yes some support has moved from Act to Nat, the cyclical swing to the right is well and truly underway.

From the Roy Morgan poll on 7th February 2022.

"New Opposition Leader Christopher Luxon has again boosted support for the main Opposition National in only his second month in charge with support rising 3.5% points to 35% in January. Support for National has now increased 8.5% points since Luxon took over the leadership at the end of November 2021 and has now overtaken Labour for the first time since October 2019.

Support for a potential National/ Act NZ coalition government is now at 48.5% and clearly ahead of the current Labour/ Greens government of Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern on 43.5%.

Although support for National increased for a fourth straight month the increase in January came at the expense of fellow right-leaning party Act NZ for which support fell 5% points to 13.5% to its lowest since August 2021. Support for the Maori Party increased 1.5% points to 2.5%.

In contrast, support for New Zealand’s Labour/Greens ‘coalition’ government was down 0.5% points to 43.5% in January – the fourth straight month of declines for the government. Labour support dropped 2.5% points to only 33% to the lowest since Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern took office in late 2017 while support for the Greens increased 2% points to 10.5%."

Remembering the 2020 election result was Lab/Grn = 57.87% and Nat/Act = 33.16%

https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/8892-nz-national-voting-intention-january-2022-202202072332

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#2878035 3-Mar-2022 08:27

very funny article made me laugh

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#2878038 3-Mar-2022 08:35

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SepticSceptic: I'd have all those that were arrested as part of the protest back out there 1st thing tomorrow morning cleaning up Camp Squalid.

Which piece of law would you enforce that under?

Anything. Disturbing the peace. Setting fire to Parliament building (including the kid's slider).

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#2878389 3-Mar-2022 16:04

JPNZ:
Handle9:

The bleeding you are referring to is from ACT to National. Left to right is reasonably stable.

Yes some support has moved from Act to Nat, the cyclical swing to the right is well and truly underway.

From the Roy Morgan poll on 7th February 2022.

"New Opposition Leader Christopher Luxon has again boosted support for the main Opposition National in only his second month in charge with support rising 3.5% points to 35% in January. Support for National has now increased 8.5% points since Luxon took over the leadership at the end of November 2021 and has now overtaken Labour for the first time since October 2019.

Support for a potential National/ Act NZ coalition government is now at 48.5% and clearly ahead of the current Labour/ Greens government of Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern on 43.5%.

Although support for National increased for a fourth straight month the increase in January came at the expense of fellow right-leaning party Act NZ for which support fell 5% points to 13.5% to its lowest since August 2021. Support for the Maori Party increased 1.5% points to 2.5%.

In contrast, support for New Zealand’s Labour/Greens ‘coalition’ government was down 0.5% points to 43.5% in January – the fourth straight month of declines for the government. Labour support dropped 2.5% points to only 33% to the lowest since Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern took office in late 2017 while support for the Greens increased 2% points to 10.5%."

Remembering the 2020 election result was Lab/Grn = 57.87% and Nat/Act = 33.16%

https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/8892-nz-national-voting-intention-january-2022-202202072332

Of course Kantar, Reid research and Curia show quite different results. Funny how you cherry picked one poll out of the four major polls.

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#2878392 3-Mar-2022 16:08

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Anything. Disturbing the peace. Setting fire to Parliament building (including the kid's slider).

You can arrest people for this, sure, but there is no legislation that would allow you to force them to clean the mess up as a result of simply being arrested. They would need to be convicted and sentenced. The judge could potentially give them community service but by the time that all happens, it will be weeks or months from now.

I don't disagree with the sentiment, but there just isn't any way to make it happen.

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#2878399 3-Mar-2022 16:38

Handle9:

Of course Kantar, Reid research and Curia show quite different results. Funny how you cherry picked one poll out of the four major polls.

Funny, lets look at Curia as well then. 15/2/22

"A new political poll has the gap between the Left and Right blocs narrowing, with both Labour and National up at the expense of the Greens and Act.

The poll also has Jacinda Ardern as the country's preferred Prime Minister, however National's Christopher Luxon has narrowed the gap considerably.

The Curia poll for February has Labour - up 1 percentage point - at 42 per cent, just four points ahead of National on 38 per cent. National gained 5 percentage points on January."

The left at 48.6% and right at 43%. The left still down 12% since 2020

I don't see how you can say "Left to right is reasonably stable." when in actual fact its quite obviously not.

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#2878410 3-Mar-2022 16:59

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freitasm:

Anything. Disturbing the peace. Setting fire to Parliament building (including the kid's slider).

You can arrest people for this, sure, but there is no legislation that would allow you to force them to clean the mess up as a result of simply being arrested. They would need to be convicted and sentenced. The judge could potentially give them community service but by the time that all happens, it will be weeks or months from now.

I don't disagree with the sentiment, but there just isn't any way to make it happen.

Oh, cleaning? Nah, I don't think there's much to do here...

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#2878447 3-Mar-2022 17:33

JPNZ:

Handle9:

Of course Kantar, Reid research and Curia show quite different results. Funny how you cherry picked one poll out of the four major polls.

Funny, lets look at Curia as well then. 15/2/22

"A new political poll has the gap between the Left and Right blocs narrowing, with both Labour and National up at the expense of the Greens and Act.

The poll also has Jacinda Ardern as the country's preferred Prime Minister, however National's Christopher Luxon has narrowed the gap considerably.

The Curia poll for February has Labour - up 1 percentage point - at 42 per cent, just four points ahead of National on 38 per cent. National gained 5 percentage points on January."

The left at 48.6% and right at 43%. The left still down 12% since 2020

I don't see how you can say "Left to right is reasonably stable." when in actual fact its quite obviously not.

Since Luxon took over the left has been fairly stable in the high 40s/low 50s. The right has been reasonably stable in the low 40s.

You referred to the left block bleeding support to the right for months, which hasn't been the case in recent months. ACT has imploded, which was always going to happen when there was a semblance of competence in the National party.

The most recent polling shows Labour going up again.It'll probably wiggle around for a bit until the economic direction becomes more clear.

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#2878461 3-Mar-2022 18:11

SepticSceptic: I'd have all those that were arrested as part of the protest back out there 1st thing tomorrow morning cleaning up Camp Squalid.

This is not a bunch of kids picking up rubbish. It's not a great idea to have some of this lot anywhere near parliament for a while

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#2878559 4-Mar-2022 06:47

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/vaccine-mandates-government-to-fight-fire-with-science-in-high-court

This is a ridiculous court case. Why do these antivaxxers constantly compare the vaccine to Nazi Germany??? Seriously, if you don't like it here, no one is forcing you to stay, naff off and live somewhere else! Really makes me mad 😠

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#2878565 4-Mar-2022 07:31

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https://www.newsroom.co.nz/vaccine-mandates-government-to-fight-fire-with-science-in-high-court

This is a ridiculous court case. Why do these antivaxxers constantly compare the vaccine to Nazi Germany??? Seriously, if you don't like it here, no one is forcing you to stay, naff off and live somewhere else! Really makes me mad 😠

I worry more about the fitness of people who throw around this kind of reckless and ridiculous analogy to be teachers and educators.

Maybe that explains why so many stupid anti-vax messages were able to affect our vaccination numbers.

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#2879392 5-Mar-2022 12:02

This person.

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#2879395 5-Mar-2022 12:07

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This person.

Good God.

The OWS and John Key years saw some good old fashioned anti-semitism and some nutbars on an individual level, but not to the extent so many would feel so comfortable driving around with something like that on their cars at all times.

I am seriously concerned that we will see this stuff on a much more organised, much larger scale come 2023 election time.

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#2879396 5-Mar-2022 12:10

Not only driving around but parked at a Bunnings car park.

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