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#3197987 20-Feb-2024 16:56

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Another opinion piece I noticed tonight re National getting rid of the ferry plan...but without a Plan B to fall back on:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/tide-starts-to-turn-on-nicola-willis-over-kiwirails-cook-strait-mega-ferries-opinion/Y34AG3V6ZVFO7PPFS4KEMKHYM4/

What have they proposed instead, anyway?

It's not up to National to propose anything. It's now up to Kiwirail to come up with alternatives that won't explode in cost.

Also, comedy answer: probably tunnels.

It’s been taken out of Kiwirails hands and given to Treasury and the MOT to come up with a revised proposal.

The expectation that they would have an immediate replacement for a program they didn’t expect to cancel is amazingly unrealistic.

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#3197999 20-Feb-2024 17:41

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Couldn't find a Labour thread but looks like Robertson is set to step down as an MP.

Now confirmed. New Finance spokesperson for Labour is a former tax solicitor.

That's going to be interesting for Willis. I'm also interested in whether there is a marked shift in Labour policy as a result.

This was a topic for discussion around the dinner table last night while digesting the OneNews poll. His lack of contribution over the last few months has been noticeable, almost dead man walking. The Labour spokesperson at the CTU has had more to say than Robertson (almost its a case of "would the real Grant Robertson please stand up").

I'd speculate that the Hipkins preferred Prime Minister result was the nail in the coffin. Before the knives come out and the pressure gets piled on Robertson to step in as the Leader of the Opposition he's pulled the jettison cord. The cupboard gets more and more bare for possible talent and leaders. Almost back to the days of Little and the ABC club.

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#3198009 20-Feb-2024 18:15

thinkingtrex8848: I’m not saying don’t question, but there’s only so many times they can ask a “loaded” question or ask the same questions over and over again in the same 20 minute post cabinet conferences before regular people just get frustrated.

If you haven’t seen those or noticed the media behaviour I’m referring to, then please feel free to ignore my arguments.

I agree with everything you are saying, I’m just saying regardless of what GZers who I believe are fairly techie and at least slightly more critical thinkers than regular folks can see through politics.

Press conferences are for the benefit of the press to ask questions. If you are watching press conferences you should be prepared to see the same question get asked multiple times and avoided multiple times. The reason for this is the questions don't get answered or only partly answered so follow up is required. The point is to capture the answer to the questions, not for your entertainment.

Critical thinking requires the observer to be informed. Having a basic understanding of what you are watching means that you would understand what is going on, not complain about questions that get asked in a certain way for valid reasons.

If you can't take the time to get a basic understanding of the purpose of press conferences just read the coverage.

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#3198011 20-Feb-2024 18:22

ockel:

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Now confirmed. New Finance spokesperson for Labour is a former tax solicitor.

That's going to be interesting for Willis. I'm also interested in whether there is a marked shift in Labour policy as a result.

This was a topic for discussion around the dinner table last night while digesting the OneNews poll. His lack of contribution over the last few months has been noticeable, almost dead man walking. The Labour spokesperson at the CTU has had more to say than Robertson (almost its a case of "would the real Grant Robertson please stand up").

I'd speculate that the Hipkins preferred Prime Minister result was the nail in the coffin. Before the knives come out and the pressure gets piled on Robertson to step in as the Leader of the Opposition he's pulled the jettison cord. The cupboard gets more and more bare for possible talent and leaders. Almost back to the days of Little and the ABC club.

You reckon that the appointment process for vice chancellor was run in the period between a poll being released on Monday and the announcement on Tuesday?

It's entirely normal for a chunk of the ministry of the previous government to retire, being in opposition is difficult painstaking work with little reward. It's hardly surprising that large numbers of senior ministers retire after the election.

It happened with English, Finlayson, Joyce, Cullen etc etc.

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#3198017 20-Feb-2024 19:15

ockel:

GV27:

JPNZ:

Couldn't find a Labour thread but looks like Robertson is set to step down as an MP.

Now confirmed. New Finance spokesperson for Labour is a former tax solicitor.

That's going to be interesting for Willis. I'm also interested in whether there is a marked shift in Labour policy as a result.

This was a topic for discussion around the dinner table last night while digesting the OneNews poll. His lack of contribution over the last few months has been noticeable, almost dead man walking. The Labour spokesperson at the CTU has had more to say than Robertson (almost its a case of "would the real Grant Robertson please stand up").

I'd speculate that the Hipkins preferred Prime Minister result was the nail in the coffin. Before the knives come out and the pressure gets piled on Robertson to step in as the Leader of the Opposition he's pulled the jettison cord. The cupboard gets more and more bare for possible talent and leaders. Almost back to the days of Little and the ABC club.

This thread is

Christopher Luxon, New Zealand Prime Minister 2023

But in fairness you are correct. Same as National, zip/nada. Apart from Shane Reti who will despite his talent tow the party line.

It would be quite good.... if peeps can stick to the thread title. If you cannot support the thread title but need to bag last years thread title, that says plenty.

Ye has no faith. Fact not opinion.

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#3198018 20-Feb-2024 19:49

Handle9:

ockel:

This was a topic for discussion around the dinner table last night while digesting the OneNews poll. His lack of contribution over the last few months has been noticeable, almost dead man walking. The Labour spokesperson at the CTU has had more to say than Robertson (almost its a case of "would the real Grant Robertson please stand up").

I'd speculate that the Hipkins preferred Prime Minister result was the nail in the coffin. Before the knives come out and the pressure gets piled on Robertson to step in as the Leader of the Opposition he's pulled the jettison cord. The cupboard gets more and more bare for possible talent and leaders. Almost back to the days of Little and the ABC club.

You reckon that the appointment process for vice chancellor was run in the period between a poll being released on Monday and the announcement on Tuesday?

It's entirely normal for a chunk of the ministry of the previous government to retire, being in opposition is difficult painstaking work with little reward. It's hardly surprising that large numbers of senior ministers retire after the election.

It happened with English, Finlayson, Joyce, Cullen etc etc.

Valid point. Maybe it was internal polls, maybe its coincidence. For a Uni thats been global searching for a VC for 8 months......

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#3198122 21-Feb-2024 07:09

ockel:
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You reckon that the appointment process for vice chancellor was run in the period between a poll being released on Monday and the announcement on Tuesday?

It's entirely normal for a chunk of the ministry of the previous government to retire, being in opposition is difficult painstaking work with little reward. It's hardly surprising that large numbers of senior ministers retire after the election.

It happened with English, Finlayson, Joyce, Cullen etc etc.

Valid point. Maybe it was internal polls, maybe its coincidence. For a Uni thats been global searching for a VC for 8 months......

The reporting I’ve read suggests this has been on the cards for some months. What more is there for him to achieve in parliament?

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#3198132 21-Feb-2024 08:39

I think it was clear he planned to leave when he dropped Wellington Central and became list only. He held that seat a very long time.

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#3198322 21-Feb-2024 13:11

Handle9:

thinkingtrex8848: I’m not saying don’t question, but there’s only so many times they can ask a “loaded” question or ask the same questions over and over again in the same 20 minute post cabinet conferences before regular people just get frustrated.

If you haven’t seen those or noticed the media behaviour I’m referring to, then please feel free to ignore my arguments.

I agree with everything you are saying, I’m just saying regardless of what GZers who I believe are fairly techie and at least slightly more critical thinkers than regular folks can see through politics.

Press conferences are for the benefit of the press to ask questions. If you are watching press conferences you should be prepared to see the same question get asked multiple times and avoided multiple times. The reason for this is the questions don't get answered or only partly answered so follow up is required. The point is to capture the answer to the questions, not for your entertainment.

Critical thinking requires the observer to be informed. Having a basic understanding of what you are watching means that you would understand what is going on, not complain about questions that get asked in a certain way for valid reasons.

If you can't take the time to get a basic understanding of the purpose of press conferences just read the coverage.

Not disagreeing with you. I suggest you look at the large number of comments left my general public on MSM's media press conference uploads - you'll see they share the same concerns regardless of what someone on GZ thinks general public should do, they will still complain about the media repeating the same questions over and over and getting the same robotic answer from Luxon over and over again. I was just sharing that, not disputing the purpose of press conference.

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#3198333 21-Feb-2024 13:45

look at the large number of comments left my general public on MSM's media press conference uploads

I'm not sure exactly what you mean. Can you provide a link to one of these uploads and the comments?

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#3198354 21-Feb-2024 14:06

gzt:
look at the large number of comments left my general public on MSM's media press conference uploads

I'm not sure exactly what you mean. Can you provide a link to one of these uploads and the comments?

Sure, this one is not even a day old and not even the best (worst) example of what genpop thinks about our journos and MSM-

https://youtu.be/S7wpQf6JNqg?feature=shared

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#3198384 21-Feb-2024 15:10

Even though it was brief, I thought Luxon actually gave a nice tribute to Green MP Efeso Collins, who died suddenly this morning 😢

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#3198414 21-Feb-2024 15:51

thinkingtrex8848:

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Press conferences are for the benefit of the press to ask questions. If you are watching press conferences you should be prepared to see the same question get asked multiple times and avoided multiple times. The reason for this is the questions don't get answered or only partly answered so follow up is required. The point is to capture the answer to the questions, not for your entertainment.

Critical thinking requires the observer to be informed. Having a basic understanding of what you are watching means that you would understand what is going on, not complain about questions that get asked in a certain way for valid reasons.

If you can't take the time to get a basic understanding of the purpose of press conferences just read the coverage.

Not disagreeing with you. I suggest you look at the large number of comments left my general public on MSM's media press conference uploads - you'll see they share the same concerns regardless of what someone on GZ thinks general public should do, they will still complain about the media repeating the same questions over and over and getting the same robotic answer from Luxon over and over again. I was just sharing that, not disputing the purpose of press conference.

There are people posting on social media who are ignorant and/or stupid? Well knock me down with a feather.

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#3198415 21-Feb-2024 15:57

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There are people posting on social media who are ignorant and/or stupid? Well knock me down with a feather.

I am shocked, SHOCKED to hear this.

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#3198418 21-Feb-2024 16:16

SaltyNZ:
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There are people posting on social media who are ignorant and/or stupid? Well knock me down with a feather.

I am shocked, SHOCKED to hear this.

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