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  #2402842 21-Jan-2020 10:54
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So it turns out that even in America, there are limits to religious nuttery.

 

 





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  #2402846 21-Jan-2020 11:00
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That proves the point... But what point?

 

  • To some of us, that God doesn't exist.
  • To some of us, that God exists but doesn't worry about one less life in the world.
  • To some of us that God won't do anything to protect her or the other people.
  • To her, that God prevented her being injured.
  • To her, that her faith is strong.
  • To her, that the other people must be sinners, so her driving into them was not a failure of God protecting her but her actions being driven by God to rid the world of sinners.

I'd say she is probably on the last three categories i.e. she's proven God exists and she's on the righteous side of it.

 

All in all, idiocy.

 

 





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  #2402868 21-Jan-2020 11:13
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At least they had the sense to lock her up. 

 

 





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  #2403022 21-Jan-2020 16:58
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Rikkitic:

So it turns out that even in America, there are limits to religious nuttery.


 



What a bleeping asbleep. If someone want to test their faith, fine, just don't involve others.

Sitting in your underwear meditating under a tree without eating or drinking for some week would have accomplished the same thing.

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  #2403023 21-Jan-2020 17:04
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kingdragonfly:
Rikkitic:

 

So it turns out that even in America, there are limits to religious nuttery.

 



What a bleeping asbleep. If someone want to test their faith, fine, just don't involve others.

Sitting in your underwear meditating under a tree without eating or drinking for some week would have accomplished the same thing.

 

 

As I said, probably in her reasoning the fact she's not hurt proves she was protected and the fact others are hurt prove they're sinners.

 

She's crazy. 

 

When you talk to God, it's prayer but when God talks to you, you are just plain crazy and stupid. 





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  #2461094 14-Apr-2020 13:57
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It is not appropriate to use this as a cudgel, and I don't, but surely there is a lesson here about common sense and responsibility to others? You don't test your faith by endangering yourself and expecting God to intervene. That's not the way it works. 

 

 





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  #2461169 14-Apr-2020 15:46
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If you're looking for a sensible discussion it's probably a bad idea to post a paywalled article with only a headline.

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  #2461208 14-Apr-2020 16:15
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Sorry, I thought the Post had dropped the paywall for Covid-related stories. Here is the text:

 

Prominent Virginia pastor who said ‘God is larger than this dreaded virus’ dies of covid-19
Michelle Boorstein 
April 13, 2020 at 9:00 PM EDT

 

A prominent Richmond-area evangelical pastor died on the eve of Easter after contracting the coronavirus.

 

Bishop Gerald Glenn, founder and leader since 1995 of the New Deliverance Evangelistic Church in Chesterfield, was the first black chaplain of that community’s police department and was a police officer before becoming a pastor, the Richmond-Times Dispatch reported Sunday.

 

He was a friend and a pillar of the region’s faith community, U.S. Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.) tweeted Sunday.

 

“My heart sinks as I learn this morning that Bishop Gerald Glenn, pastor of New Deliverance Evangelistic Church, died yesterday from COVID-19,” Kaine said. “May all do as much for so many.”

 

Glenn preached in church about the virus in March, before he became sick, encouraging people not to be afraid. On March 22, five days after Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam (D) had urged people to “avoid non-essential gatherings of more than 10 people,” Glenn preached in church to his congregation that “I firmly believe that God is larger than this dreaded virus,” according to a video played April 6 by Richmond station WTVR.

 

On March 23, Northam ordered nonessential businesses closed and banned all gatherings of more than 10 people.

 

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A West Virginia church spends Easter making masks, other PPE using 3-D printers

 

Glenn’s wife, Mother Marcietia Glenn, was also diagnosed with covid-19, according to a YouTube post on Easter by Bryan Nevers, a church elder who also announced Glenn’s death Saturday night. All sermons were removed from the church’s YouTube channel Monday evening.

 

The New Deliverance community was left to wrestle with his death. They are part of the Church of God in Christ, a Pentecostal denomination hit hard by covid-19.

 

“We still believe in God for healing right now,” Nevers said on the Sunday video, his voice wavering, the rows of purple seats behind him empty in the church. “Our bishop always told us, even as they wheeled him into the operating room, he proclaimed that God is still a healer. … I don’t know how, but I have to say: God will get the glory from this.”

 

The April 6 WTVR report quoted Glenn’s daughter, identified as Mar-Gerie Crawley, as saying her father had been sick for about a week before he was hospitalized. She said he had diverticulitis — a digestive condition — and it wasn’t uncommon for him to get fevers and viruses. His wife took him for a second time to the emergency room in late March, Crawley said, once his breathing was labored and he was very lethargic. He was tested for coronavirus and immediately got a positive result.

 

She said her father’s encouraging, well-populated March 22 service was held “not to disrespect [officials] but to support those who were scared.” She said her parents were both very affectionate. “Mom and Dad are hugging [type] people. That’s what they do, they hug everyone.”

 

A pastor confessed to his church he was tired, and he planned a break. Then, the coronavirus hit D.C.

 

In a now-removed video on the church’s site, Glenn led the March 15 service, telling people in a lighthearted way not to shake hands.

 

“I’m glad to be in the Lord’s house. It didn’t have to be this way. The government could have said we couldn’t gather at all. Just imagine if the government had the authority to say, you and me, we can’t go to church. Aren’t you glad you were free to get up and come?”

 

In the video, he said 185 people had come to the morning service. He also noted that the virus had captivated the world and terrified people.

 

“You may never say this aloud, but you have to wonder: ‘Why did God let this happen?’ I’ve heard other questions by theologians and I think it’s valid. Is this virus a sign of the end times? … It makes us look at our own immediate mortality.”

 

Earlier in the sermon, he said: “If I had to deliver my own eulogy, I’d say, ‘God is greater than any challenge you and I face. That would be my epitaph.”





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  #2461493 15-Apr-2020 02:35
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The precise chronology regarding the sermons and state government advice and direction is unclear in the article. To a large extent it appears the chronology has not been established in the article.

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  #2461620 15-Apr-2020 09:06
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I think the article is being a bit kind, because he did pay the ultimate price.

However the timeline is pretty clear. He wasn't under strict orders, but he did ignore the Governor's advice.

five days after Virginia Governor. Ralph Northam had urged people to “avoid non-essential gatherings of more than 10 people,” Glenn preached in church to his congregation

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New York Daily News: Defiant megachurch pastor holds Easter service despite Louisiana’s ban on large gatherings

A controversial megachurch pastor who faces misdemeanor charges for repeatedly violating Louisiana’s ban on large gatherings ignored the coronavirus pandemic once again to host an in-person Easter service.

The Rev. Tony Spell, who’s been accused of risking the health of his parishioners for self-promotion, led a lively service Sunday morning to hundreds of people at The Life Tabernacle Church in Central, a city near Baton Rouge.

“My hope is not in a vaccine for a virus, but all my hope is in Jesus,” he said during the livestreamed service.

The cameras strangely did not show the audience, but local news outlet Central City News reported that about 1,100 congregants attended services in seven different buildings on the church’s massive campus on Sunday.

Spell, who also reportedly claimed he can cure coronavirus, was issued a summons on March 31 charging him with six misdemeanors in violation of Louisiana’s stay-at-home order. He had hosted services for as many as 1,800 people at a time despite warnings from authorities about the health risks he was subjecting his congregants to.
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https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-louisiana-pastor-tony-spell-easter-service-despite-coronavirus-20200413-2spoqbls7vg25f5dmo7lozqfb4-story.html

 
 
 
 

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NBC News: Liberty University presses charges against journalists who covered campus' being open during outbreak

The evangelical university in Virginia, which is led by Jerry Falwell Jr., is pursing trespassing charges against two journalists.

Liberty University has pushed for criminal trespassing charges against two journalists who pursued stories about why the evangelical college in Virginia has remained partially open during the coronavirus outbreak.

The college, in Lynchburg, Virginia, is led by Jerry Falwell Jr., a supporter of President Donald Trump who has suggested coverage of the epidemic was overblown. Falwell said the university is conducting classes online and obeying social distancing directives.

But he said he has kept the campus open for international students and those with nowhere else to go. On Thursday, there were about 1,000 students living on campus, roughly one-eighth of its normal residential population.

After stories were written saying Liberty’s decision caused concerns in the community, the university pursued charges against Alec MacGillis, a reporter for ProPublica, and Julia Rendleman, a photographer who illustrated a March 29 story in The New York Times.

Virginia Magistrate Kang Lee signed arrest warrants for Class 1 Misdemeanors against the two journalists, punishable by up to a year in jail. It’s up to Lynchburg Commonwealth’s Attorney Bethany Harrison to decide whether to prosecute, and she said Thursday she hasn’t seen any details on the case.

Liberty’s security forces investigated the journalists following publication of their articles, collecting witness accounts that they were on campus without permission, Falwell said.
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  #2461970 15-Apr-2020 15:05
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kingdragonfly: I think the article is being a bit kind, because he did pay the ultimate price.

However the timeline is pretty clear. He wasn't under strict orders, but he did ignore the Governor's advice.

five days after Virginia Governor. Ralph Northam had urged people to “avoid non-essential gatherings of more than 10 people,” Glenn preached in church to his congregation

I read the part with the April 6 date of a video play as indicating wapo did not have an original source for the date of the last sermon to a gathering of more than 10. Could be wrong.

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Words fail me:  This is NOT a parody account:

 


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  #2464448 17-Apr-2020 20:52
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Looking at the map makes me say "Thank god for women!"

Here's an interesting comparison between male injuries versus female injuries:

"In the US, among 15 to 19 year olds, males are ...about five times as likely to die of homicide or suicide.

The sex difference is most pronounced in drowning, where males are more that 10 times as likely to die as females of the same age.

No category of injury, and hardly any risk behavior fails to show the higher male rate.

The same is true for all countries that keep such statistics."

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