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  #2304020 22-Aug-2019 17:56
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pixelatedboat: Funny Twitter cartoons / comments

"There’s a nonzero chance that Trump would quit the presidency if Warner Bros offered him the role of Batman"

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  #2304405 23-Aug-2019 09:33
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Technofreak:

 

The article by Elizabeth Bruenig posted by Kingdragonfly sums up middle America. Outside of New York/Washington and California I've been told you'd be hard pressed to find people who don't support Trump.

 

No matter what we think of him, as things are right now, I don't see him not winning the US Presidency for a second term.

 

 

That's not correct - that you'd be hard pressed to find people who don't support Trump in "middle America".

 

Based on polling (ha ha - we know what happened last time) then Trump has no chance in 2020. 

 

So it's the Democrats election to lose - something they were very good at in 2016.

 

It might be possible to get a better idea when the Dems have selected a candidate. Then again maybe not.

 

We'll see how Trump's claim to be "the chosen one" and King of Israel goes down with evangelicals. In theory that should have a few of them thinking that maybe he really is the antichrist - even if an obese orange potty-mouthed lunatic isn't quite what they imagined he'd be.

 

The economy is critical,  MAGA might be based on the concept that the US is an island kingdom on it's own, but it isn't. The rest of the world have serious economic issues at the moment. It will catch up on the US. US job creation numbers have been revised down, the 2/10 year yield curve has now inverted twice, carmakers are having a very bad time, and Trump is losing control. We'll see. Too early to predict.

 

 

 

 

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  #2304445 23-Aug-2019 10:28
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Fred99:

 

Based on polling (ha ha - we know what happened last time) then Trump has no chance in 2020. 

 

So it's the Democrats election to lose - something they were very good at in 2016.

 

It might be possible to get a better idea when the Dems have selected a candidate. Then again maybe not.

 

 

 

 

Until there is a real candidate it is hard to say. I remember back in 2004 right up until Kerry was the nominated candidate 'Generic Democrat' was easily beating Bush. Then once Kerry got the nod the attacks started. Same thing during Obama's term Generic Republican would poll well until the real candidate came to the front.

 

Part of it is when there is no front runner, people will project what they want on to a theoretical candidate. But once the candidate is a real person with flaws and opinions and a history they will no longer match the idealised vision in voters minds.

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  #2304450 23-Aug-2019 10:33
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In the last election, Hillary had four disadvantages

* the Russians made perfect use of social media

* she was neither likable nor charismatic

* she only listen to her inner circle of advisors, was too over-confident, so didn't lie to the middle

* too many paranoid conspiracy nuts, in which the central figure in wild conspiracies, such as the insane pizzagate

I'm worried Joe Biden could lose to Trump, because Joe is a bit of a buffoon, and often has self-inflicted wounds.

Obviously, not much we can do here to influence the race.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizzagate_conspiracy_theory

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  #2304452 23-Aug-2019 10:35
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kingdragonfly: 

 

* too many paranoid conspiracy nuts, in which the central figure in wild conspiracies, such as the insane pizzagate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizzagate_conspiracy_theory

 

 

Incredible people believed PizzaGate, even to the point of an idiot going with a gun to this pizza place and shooting someone. But they don't do anything about Trump's documented escapades and lies.




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  #2304469 23-Aug-2019 11:08
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Fred99:

 

Technofreak:

 

The article by Elizabeth Bruenig posted by Kingdragonfly sums up middle America. Outside of New York/Washington and California I've been told you'd be hard pressed to find people who don't support Trump.

 

No matter what we think of him, as things are right now, I don't see him not winning the US Presidency for a second term.

 

 

That's not correct - that you'd be hard pressed to find people who don't support Trump in "middle America".

 

Based on polling (ha ha - we know what happened last time) then Trump has no chance in 2020. 

 

So it's the Democrats election to lose - something they were very good at in 2016.

 

It might be possible to get a better idea when the Dems have selected a candidate. Then again maybe not.

 

We'll see how Trump's claim to be "the chosen one" and King of Israel goes down with evangelicals. In theory that should have a few of them thinking that maybe he really is the antichrist - even if an obese orange potty-mouthed lunatic isn't quite what they imagined he'd be.

 

The economy is critical,  MAGA might be based on the concept that the US is an island kingdom on it's own, but it isn't. The rest of the world have serious economic issues at the moment. It will catch up on the US. US job creation numbers have been revised down, the 2/10 year yield curve has now inverted twice, carmakers are having a very bad time, and Trump is losing control. We'll see. Too early to predict.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fred99

 

I have have it first hand from friends who were in the US recently for several weeks. They travelled widely in the US, the only support they found for Trump was in the New York area. Everywhere else was pro Trump.

 

Note I said "As things are right now". Your comments re the economy etc, have some validity but the affects of these are yet to be realised and until they are realised the status quo remains.

 

Who knows what Trump will do to counter these economic storm clouds and what the eventual outcome will be. Trump is a master of never wasting a crisis and turning it to his advantage. I'd be willing to bet the US economy could collapse and Trump would still come up with gold so far as his support base goes.

 

Yes, far too early to predict.




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  #2304474 23-Aug-2019 11:16
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kingdragonfly: In the last election, Hillary had four disadvantages

* the Russians made perfect use of social media

* she was neither likable nor charismatic

* she only listen to her inner circle of advisors, was too over-confident, so didn't lie to the middle

* too many paranoid conspiracy nuts, in which the central figure in wild conspiracies, such as the insane pizzagate

I'm worried Joe Biden could lose to Trump, because Joe is a bit of a buffoon, and often has self-inflicted wounds.

Obviously, not much we can do here to influence the race.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizzagate_conspiracy_theory

 

 

 

She lied to just about everybody. She would tell the audience what they wanted to hear. One story one day another the next.

 

She was despised by many people I knew in the US. They may not have been a fan of Trump but there was no way they were going to have Hillary as President.

 

Some think she should have been in jail for treason for the fact she had deliberately used an insecure email server which the Russians accessed.




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  #2304486 23-Aug-2019 11:36
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kingdragonfly: 

I'm worried Joe Biden could lose to Trump, because Joe is a bit of a buffoon, and often has self-inflicted wounds.

 

What I think Biden radiates, more than anything, is a return to normalcy. I think most voters outside the Trump cult are desperate for this. I know I am, and I'm not even a voter. People want an end to the craziness, the impulsiveness, the unpredictability. They want a leader that other leaders will look to and breathe a sigh of relief. They want an end to Trump's moronic lawn statements and Nuremberg rallies. 

 

Biden is reassuring. He is a bit of a goof. He reminds in some ways of Gerald Ford, a man renown for his decency and clumsiness. Ford was a breath of fresh air after the Nixon stench. People crave that again.

 

The problem with most other Democratic candidates is that they radiate change. Their ideas are not all bad, or undesirable, but after Trump people just want someone that they can curl up and feel safe in, like a fuzzy security blanket. Biden has that sort of quality. He can bring back normalcy. The next one can work on change.

 

 




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  #2304491 23-Aug-2019 11:56
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Technofreak: Some think she should have been in jail for treason for the fact she had deliberately used an insecure email server which the Russians accessed.



So I guess you believe Hillary should be sharing the cell with Ivanka Trump, since Ivanka did the same thing.

The "treason" label gets thrown around a lot. The penalty for treason includes death, in the US.

Frankly I consider Trump the most treasonous person alive. Despite his erotic pole dancing at every unwilling American flag on display, he cares nothing about the US. It's all Trump, baby.

"Treason" has been trivialize repeatedly by Trump

At Democrats who did not clap at his first State of the Union address were “like death and un-American,” musing that they could be called “treasonous.”

The New York Times for publishing an anonymous op-ed from a member of his Administration, arguing that it was “virtually” treason. “Number one, the Times should never have done that, because really what they’ve done is virtually, you know, it’s treason, you could call it a lot of things,”

“I think what the Democrats are doing with the border is TREASONOUS,” he tweeted. “Their Open Border mindset is putting our Country at risk. Will not let this happen!”

“My Campaign for President was conclusively spied on. Nothing like this has ever happened in American Politics. A really bad situation. TREASON means long jail sentences, and this was TREASON!”

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  #2304492 23-Aug-2019 11:56
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Technofreak:

 

She lied to just about everybody. She would tell the audience what they wanted to hear. One story one day another the next.

 

She was despised by many people I knew in the US. They may not have been a fan of Trump but there was no way they were going to have Hillary as President.

 

Some think she should have been in jail for treason for the fact she had deliberately used an insecure email server which the Russians accessed.

 

 

This is revisionist history to fit today's wisdom. Hillary did not enjoy Obama's popularity by any means, but neither was she universally despised. Many voters, especially women, enthusiastically supported her. They really believed she was going to make history as the first female president. And not only women. Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by a substantial margin, and those voters came from the entire electorate.

 

I suspect that the opinions you cite have to do with the people you know. There are plenty of voters throughout America who are ready to vote for anyone but Trump. 

 

Some think Ivanka should be in jail for treason because she deliberately used an insecure email account in violation of federal law. I wonder how many lies she has told? Has she been taking lessons from her father?

 

 

 

 




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  #2304552 23-Aug-2019 12:20
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Technofreak:

 

I have have it first hand from friends who were in the US recently for several weeks. They travelled widely in the US, the only support they found for Trump was in the New York area. Everywhere else was pro Trump.

 

 

 

 

Nope.

 

As of July '19, Trump has negative approval in:

 

Hawaii
Alaska
Washington state
Oregon
California
Nevada
Arizona
Colorado
New Mexico
Nebraska
Minnesota
Michigan
Wisconsin
Illinois
Ohio
Virginia
North Carolina
Maryland
Pennsylvania
Delaware
New Jersey
New York
Maine
New Hampshire
Vermont
Massachusetts
Connecticut
Rhode Island
Florida

 

That's 29/50 states, some pretty close (Florida, N Carolina).

 

So it's not actually a question of "if" your friends got the wrong impression, it's more a question of "why" they did.  Even in Alabama, 35% of people disapprove of Trump.

 

 

 

 

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  #2304573 23-Aug-2019 13:03
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Technofreak:

 

Who knows what Trump will do to counter these economic storm clouds and what the eventual outcome will be.

 

 

He's already doing it:

 

 

The story so far on yelling at clouds:

 

It's the US Federal reserve fault, especially including Powell - who he nominated (but can't fire).
It's the US carmakers fault, if they followed Trump's advice, they could make cars $3000 cheaper and sell more.
It's the "lying media's" fault, they want to create a recession to hurt Trump.
It's Germany's fault, they've dropped interest rates to hurt the US economy (not to save their own - which like others is suffering as a result of the chaos of Trumpist weaponization of trade)
It's NATOs fault - for not matching the absolutely ludicrous US expenditure on weapons.

 

etc.

 

 

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  #2304575 23-Aug-2019 13:10
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Technofreak:

 

 

 

She lied to just about everybody. She would tell the audience what they wanted to hear. One story one day another the next.

 

She was despised by many people I knew in the US. They may not have been a fan of Trump but there was no way they were going to have Hillary as President.

 

Some think she should have been in jail for treason for the fact she had deliberately used an insecure email server which the Russians accessed.

 

 

 

 

She didn't tell people what they wanted to hear. If she did she would have told the voters in Pennsylvania etc that she was going to get them back to digging coal. Instead she gave long winded wishy washy talk about a changing economy and funding for retraining schemes. She held up app development etc as an example and while that played well in California and New York it was not great in the mid-west. She also kept telling people to refer to her website for details. Trump by contrast kept it simple, told them he loved coal and they will be back digging coal. He lied to each audience and told them what they wanted to hear.

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  #2304647 23-Aug-2019 13:59
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"It is the patriotic obligation of Gary Cohn, Rex Tillerson, Jim Mattis, Daniel Coats and H.R. McMaster to speak with one voice, to make plain their concerns about the president’s fitness for office and call for a thorough psychological examination by a panel of expert psychiatrists, or if Trump refuses, for his resignation. They don’t have to worry about alarming other world leaders. They know. Believe me, they know."

 

 




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