Geekzone: technology news, blogs, forums
Guest
Welcome Guest.
You haven't logged in yet. If you don't have an account you can register now.




549 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 205


Topic # 223906 23-Oct-2017 21:19
Send private message

As the election dust settles, it will be natural for some in the national party to wonder if they need to jettison a leader who has lead the party to defeat twice.

 

Do you think there will be a leadership tussle? Who is a likely candidate?

 

Changing leaders creates a vacuum of history and trust - things bill english has built up over his decades in parliament. On the other hand, there is those 2 defeats.

 

I dunno.

 

Is it worth holding onto him and hoping history doesn't repeat (again) ?

 

 


View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic
 1 | 2 | 3 | 4
2513 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 905

Subscriber

  Reply # 1888278 23-Oct-2017 21:40
Send private message

Typically National and Labour hold power for either 2 or 3 terms in a row, then the other gets into power. Since National had already been in power for 3 terms, prior history said that they would have been unlikely to win this election. And the other time BE was leader was in the 2002 election, Up against Helen Clark and Labour who had only just gained power in the 1999 election.

 

So BE is mostly unlucky in being used to front the National party at times when history says they would be unlikely to win the election anyway.

 

 








549 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 205


  Reply # 1888282 23-Oct-2017 21:51
Send private message

indeed - he has caught the cycle badly. Still, keep him or change him?


 
 
 
 


Try Wrike: fast, easy, and efficient project collaboration software
11034 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 3466

Trusted
Subscriber

  Reply # 1888320 24-Oct-2017 05:53
Send private message

I suspect he'll quit of his own volition. I would. Who needs the agro?





5807 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 2857


  Reply # 1888344 24-Oct-2017 08:40
Send private message

It won't (or shouldn't) happen soon.

 

New leader needs to come in with guns blazing - so best to wait until there's something to shoot at, rather than just silly conjecture by morons like Hosking that NZers should be worried about "The $6 Latte".


1474 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 675


  Reply # 1888349 24-Oct-2017 08:47
Send private message

You are forgetting....Bill leads the largest parliamentary opposition in MMP history. Should be fun and will certainly keep the new Government on their toes.


104 posts

Master Geek
+1 received by user: 40


  Reply # 1888350 24-Oct-2017 08:47
Send private message

I felt Bill was planning on retiring at the end of this parliamentary term if he won. I felt his leadership was meant to be as unoffensive as possible to keep National's popularity up from Key's time to win the election. Then take the next term to build up the profile of a new leader ready for him to hand it off for the next election. With the loss I suspect we will see him step down before he is taken down. Wouldn't be surprised if National had a new leader by Christmas.


16507 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 4608

Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  Reply # 1888398 24-Oct-2017 10:09
Send private message

Varkk:

 

I felt Bill was planning on retiring at the end of this parliamentary term if he won. I felt his leadership was meant to be as unoffensive as possible to keep National's popularity up from Key's time to win the election. Then take the next term to build up the profile of a new leader ready for him to hand it off for the next election. With the loss I suspect we will see him step down before he is taken down. Wouldn't be surprised if National had a new leader by Christmas.

 

 

I'm with Fred99 on this, a change of leadership would be folly given they don't have a natural replacement. I think they should have conversations and meetings and work out a strategy, work toward grooming a replacement. 


bmt

394 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 109


  Reply # 1889499 25-Oct-2017 19:23
Send private message

Pumpedd:

 

You are forgetting....Bill leads the largest parliamentary opposition in MMP history. Should be fun and will certainly keep the new Government on their toes.

 

 

Which counts for nothing :)

 

I think we'll find a lot of retirements this term for National. Quite a few old dinosaurs there that have seen it and done it. National's going to need to bring in fresh blood if they want a chance IMO.


13792 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 1716


  Reply # 1889501 25-Oct-2017 19:45
Send private message

These parties that lose power lie this after such a long time, essentially need a big clean-out is likely to be needed, so the party is refreshed. The thing is that last time Labour were voted out, it was because they had a perceived arrogance, and the country had become very nanny state. National has since been very hands off,  but had also got that impression of arrogance to them after all this time, and a lot of problems haven't been addressed. It always happens.

 

The thing though is we could still have national in power, if WP had decided to choose them. He was still tossing up between the two on the final day, and it was seen as shock that he went with Labour.. It is also very unusual that National has by far the most electorate seats (40 seats, labour only won 27, and some of the  smaller parties only got 1 each), so far more electorates  voted for National in the electorate seats. But  many peoples local MP will not be in power. I don't think this is very good for democracy in terms of people questioning decisions locally with an MP, and getting help with problems, but it doesn't seem to be something the media has really picked up on. 




549 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 205


  Reply # 1889606 25-Oct-2017 21:54
Send private message

Electorate MPs can still agitate for their causes - they have all the time in the world to attend those select committee hearings, write submissions , debate in the house etc etc. They're not tied up running a ministry are they :-)

 

Governments do listen to good ideas if they think they can do something with it. National grabbed the house insulation project from the greens for example.

 

Re your suggestion, yes a clean out would be predictable. After all , it is likely the nats will be in opposition for 2-3 terms which is plenty of time to bring on new talent.


1474 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 675


  Reply # 1889614 25-Oct-2017 22:04
Send private message

bmt:

 

Pumpedd:

 

You are forgetting....Bill leads the largest parliamentary opposition in MMP history. Should be fun and will certainly keep the new Government on their toes.

 

 

Which counts for nothing :)

 

I think we'll find a lot of retirements this term for National. Quite a few old dinosaurs there that have seen it and done it. National's going to need to bring in fresh blood if they want a chance IMO.

 

 

Speaking of dinasaurs..not exactly a fresh lineup in Labours cabinet either....


16507 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 4608

Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  Reply # 1889690 26-Oct-2017 09:09
One person supports this post
Send private message

Pumpedd:

 

bmt:

 

Pumpedd:

 

You are forgetting....Bill leads the largest parliamentary opposition in MMP history. Should be fun and will certainly keep the new Government on their toes.

 

 

Which counts for nothing :)

 

I think we'll find a lot of retirements this term for National. Quite a few old dinosaurs there that have seen it and done it. National's going to need to bring in fresh blood if they want a chance IMO.

 

 

Speaking of dinasaurs..not exactly a fresh lineup in Labours cabinet either....

 

 

Apparently, JA Wants a 50/50 mix of men and women as well. Not sure where she is going to pull all these female politicians from. It's wrong to assign a %, the best people should get the job regardless of their genetic makeup.


1474 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 675


  Reply # 1890906 26-Oct-2017 18:02
Send private message

networkn:

 

Pumpedd:

 

bmt:

 

Pumpedd:

 

You are forgetting....Bill leads the largest parliamentary opposition in MMP history. Should be fun and will certainly keep the new Government on their toes.

 

 

Which counts for nothing :)

 

I think we'll find a lot of retirements this term for National. Quite a few old dinosaurs there that have seen it and done it. National's going to need to bring in fresh blood if they want a chance IMO.

 

 

Speaking of dinasaurs..not exactly a fresh lineup in Labours cabinet either....

 

 

Apparently, JA Wants a 50/50 mix of men and women as well. Not sure where she is going to pull all these female politicians from. It's wrong to assign a %, the best people should get the job regardless of their genetic makeup.

 

 

Totally agree...it must be based on ability first then gender.

 

Looking at the new Ministerial lineup women will do quite well from Government.


3968 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 1551


  Reply # 1892594 30-Oct-2017 13:49
Send private message

elpenguino:

 

After all , it is likely the nats will be in opposition for 2-3 terms which is plenty of time to bring on new talent.

 

 

There have been more than a few single term governments in NZ history.  I would not be surprised if this was one of them.  Massive promising, creation of a lot of inflated expectations among their supporters and therefore a real risk of disappointing.

 

Clark built successive terms on the back on things like working for families, mostly possible because of an economic boom.   There isn't much budgetary scope to increase or expand income supplementation this time and there is no sign of an economic upswing. 

 

And then there is Peters.  At some point he has to stop acting like a colaition partner and start barking like a junk-yard dog again to have profile in the 2020 election.

 

The silver lining for labour might be an easing of house prices that they can attribute to their policies (regardless of the actual cause).





Mike



549 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 205


  Reply # 1892597 30-Oct-2017 13:58
Send private message

But there's only been one single term government under mmp - 1996's national government


 1 | 2 | 3 | 4
View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic



Twitter »

Follow us to receive Twitter updates when new discussions are posted in our forums:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when news items and blogs are posted in our frontpage:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when tech item prices are listed in our price comparison site:





News »

TCF and Telcos Toughen Up on Scam Callers
Posted 23-Apr-2018 09:39


Amazon launches the International Shopping Experience in the Amazon Shopping App
Posted 19-Apr-2018 08:38


Spark New Zealand and TVNZ to bring coverage of Rugby World Cup 2019
Posted 16-Apr-2018 06:55


How Google can seize Microsoft Office crown
Posted 14-Apr-2018 11:08


How back office transformation drives IRD efficiency
Posted 12-Apr-2018 21:15


iPod laws in a smartphone world: will we ever get copyright right?
Posted 12-Apr-2018 21:13


Lightbox service using big data and analytics to learn more about customers
Posted 9-Apr-2018 12:11


111 mobile caller location extended to iOS
Posted 6-Apr-2018 13:50


Huawei announces the HUAWEI P20 series
Posted 29-Mar-2018 11:41


Symantec Internet Security Threat Report shows increased endpoint technology risks
Posted 26-Mar-2018 18:29


Spark switches on long-range IoT network across New Zealand
Posted 26-Mar-2018 18:22


Stuff Pix enters streaming video market
Posted 21-Mar-2018 09:18


Windows no longer Microsoft’s main focus
Posted 13-Mar-2018 07:47


Why phone makers are obsessed with cameras
Posted 11-Mar-2018 12:25


New Zealand Adopts International Open Data Charter
Posted 3-Mar-2018 12:48



Geekzone Live »

Try automatic live updates from Geekzone directly in your browser, without refreshing the page, with Geekzone Live now.



Are you subscribed to our RSS feed? You can download the latest headlines and summaries from our stories directly to your computer or smartphone by using a feed reader.

Alternatively, you can receive a daily email with Geekzone updates.