Does ping increase with VDSL compared to ADSL?

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#127362 7-Aug-2013 19:46

I have ADSL at the moment and I get a ping of about 42 on local servers and when I go to other countries I can get over 300. I don't want my ping to increase anymore because it would make playing on foreign servers a waste of time. I have looked through the post on Telecom VDSL that started awhile ago and I don't seem to find much about ping but I did notice when people posted comparison screenshots of their speed tests that their ping had increased.

What usually happens to ping when on VDSL compared to ADSL?

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#873435 7-Aug-2013 19:46

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#873456 7-Aug-2013 19:50

depends on your profile, long as you stay on a DLM-1 profile, you will have a 1ms ping each way.

profiles are tiered...

DLM-1 1ms 0INP

DLM-2 8ms 0INP
DLM-4 8ms 1INP *9
DLM-6 8ms 2INP

DLM-3 16ms 0INP
DLM-5 16ms 1INP
DLM-7 16ms 2INP
DLM-8 16ms 4INP

that is latency each way.

worth having a read of the vdsl thread in snaps forum - atlest the first post if not the rest. (http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=90&topicid=105744)

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#873479 7-Aug-2013 20:15

Your ping should decrease - but to what extent will depend on your current interleaving settings.

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#873490 7-Aug-2013 20:23

Ping on VDSL seems fine to me, and I believe I am on DLM-2 not 1.

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#873492 7-Aug-2013 20:25

Inphinity: Ping on VDSL seems fine to me, and I believe I am on DLM-2 not 1.

ping seems a tad high for DLM1 indeed.. would have to be an 8ms profile, on the upside, thats a nice 71a line.

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#873498 7-Aug-2013 20:33

hio77:

ping seems a tad high for DLM1 indeed.. would have to be an 8ms profile, on the upside, thats a nice 71a line.

I'd happily trade a little of the speed for DLM-1, if it were possible and wouldn't impact stability, as there is some fairly latency-sensitive work I do, but that said, it's much the same as my ADSL2 was before, so I'm no worse off.

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#873520 7-Aug-2013 21:21

I think ping is increasing with VDSL by 10-20 ms average, my friend connected with VDSL2(TELECOM) now, and his ping higher by 8 ms on DLM-1 profile compare to ADSL2+ without interleaving. 8 ms is not big deal, but if you on other DLMs then you will get increase from 8 to 32 i think.

Here is my speedtest:

Connection: ADSL2+ Without Interleaving.

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#873522 7-Aug-2013 21:26

Here is my pings to a local server

Pinging rich.ms [202.37.194.80] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 202.37.194.80: bytes=32 time=8ms TTL=59
Reply from 202.37.194.80: bytes=32 time=6ms TTL=59
Reply from 202.37.194.80: bytes=32 time=6ms TTL=59
Reply from 202.37.194.80: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=59

Ping statistics for 202.37.194.80:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 6ms, Maximum = 8ms, Average = 6ms

C:\Users\richard>

VDSL is lower so long as you get on one of the good profiles, if I can on the end of the long cable I am on that only gets me mid 20's for the downstream than anyone should be able to really.

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#873524 7-Aug-2013 21:29

I think DLM-1 should be pretty much the same as ADSL without interleaving. This is mine currently on the Telecom speedtest (ISP snap)

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#873526 7-Aug-2013 21:31

sidefx: I think DLM-1 should be pretty much the same as ADSL without interleaving:

Wow nice. Then yes, DLM-1 is good on interleaving :)

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#873528 7-Aug-2013 21:42

ADSL2+ Ping

Sorry about russian window, i have russian OS, but the layout the same:

Ответ от 202.175.135.91: число байт=32 время=7мс TTL=56

Translate =>

Reply from 202.175.135.91: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=56

One or two year ago, when Telecom done upgrades on broadband data caps, interleaving was switched on for my connection and i had 23-30 ms to the same website, even to the local gateway same high pings.

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#873532 7-Aug-2013 21:51

My ping has definitely improved.

Used to speedtest at around 40ms, now commonly 20-25ms with vdsl.

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#873584 7-Aug-2013 23:17

hio77: depends on your profile, long as you stay on a DLM-1 profile, you will have a 1ms ping each way.

profiles are tiered...

DLM-1 1ms 0INP

DLM-2 8ms 0INP
DLM-4 8ms 1INP *9
DLM-6 8ms 2INP

DLM-3 16ms 0INP
DLM-5 16ms 1INP
DLM-7 16ms 2INP
DLM-8 16ms 4INP

that is latency each way.

worth having a read of the vdsl thread in snaps forum - atlest the first post if not the rest. (http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=90&topicid=105744)

I get confused when people post this. What does it mean? Is it that if I am on DLM-1 then the ping I have now (on ADSL) will increase by 1 and if I was on DLM-8 then my current ping will increase by 16 or am I way off?

EDIT: I have never seen a screenshot with anyone on 1ms, the lowest I have seen is 11ms.

I don't get this stuff.

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#873591 7-Aug-2013 23:44

solaybro:
hio77: depends on your profile, long as you stay on a DLM-1 profile, you will have a 1ms ping each way.

profiles are tiered...

DLM-1 1ms 0INP

DLM-2 8ms 0INP
DLM-4 8ms 1INP *9
DLM-6 8ms 2INP

DLM-3 16ms 0INP
DLM-5 16ms 1INP
DLM-7 16ms 2INP
DLM-8 16ms 4INP

that is latency each way.

worth having a read of the vdsl thread in snaps forum - atlest the first post if not the rest. (http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=90&topicid=105744)

I get confused when people post this. What does it mean? Is it that if I am on DLM-1 then the ping I have now (on ADSL) will increase by 1 and if I was on DLM-8 then my current ping will increase by 16 or am I way off?

EDIT: I have never seen a screenshot with anyone on 1ms, the lowest I have seen is 11ms.

I don't get this stuff.

Thats mean ping on last mile connection, between you(your router) and DSLAM (Chorus Cabinet or Exchange). So if you pinging any host, you need to add 1+1 ms on DLM-1, 8+8 on DLMs 2 4 8 and 16+16 on DLMs 3 5 7 8.

For example delay between nzherald.co.nz website and TELECOM ISP is 4 ms.

On ADSL2+ Without interleaving you get 7ms

On VDSL2 with DLM-1 profile you get 7ms.

On VDSL2 with DLM-2 profile you get 23ms.
On VDSL2 with DLM-4 profile you get 23ms.
On VDSL2 with DLM-6 profile you get 23ms.

On VDSL2 with DLM-3 profile you get 39ms.
On VDSL2 with DLM-5 profile you get 39ms.
On VDSL2 with DLM-7 profile you get 39ms.
On VDSL2 with DLM-8 profile you get 39ms.

on UFB you probably get 5 ms.

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#873594 7-Aug-2013 23:52

Kirdog:
solaybro:
hio77: depends on your profile, long as you stay on a DLM-1 profile, you will have a 1ms ping each way.

profiles are tiered...

DLM-1 1ms 0INP

DLM-2 8ms 0INP
DLM-4 8ms 1INP *9
DLM-6 8ms 2INP

DLM-3 16ms 0INP
DLM-5 16ms 1INP
DLM-7 16ms 2INP
DLM-8 16ms 4INP

that is latency each way.

worth having a read of the vdsl thread in snaps forum - atlest the first post if not the rest. (http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=90&topicid=105744)

I get confused when people post this. What does it mean? Is it that if I am on DLM-1 then the ping I have now (on ADSL) will increase by 1 and if I was on DLM-8 then my current ping will increase by 16 or am I way off?

EDIT: I have never seen a screenshot with anyone on 1ms, the lowest I have seen is 11ms.

I don't get this stuff.

Thats mean ping on last mile connection, between you(your router) and DSLAM (Chorus Cabinet or Exchange). So if you pinging any host, you need to add 1+1 ms on DLM-1, 8+8 on DLMs 2 4 8 and 16+16 on DLMs 3 5 7 8.

For example delay between nzherald.co.nz website and TELECOM ISP is 4 ms.

On ADSL2+ Without interleaving you get 7ms

On VDSL2 with DLM-1 profile you get 7ms.

On VDSL2 with DLM-2 profile you get 23ms.
On VDSL2 with DLM-4 profile you get 23ms.
On VDSL2 with DLM-6 profile you get 23ms.

On VDSL2 with DLM-3 profile you get 39ms.
On VDSL2 with DLM-5 profile you get 39ms.
On VDSL2 with DLM-7 profile you get 39ms.
On VDSL2 with DLM-8 profile you get 39ms.

on UFB you probably get 5 ms.

your numbers are slightly off, in most cases it would be slightly lower and for DLM-1 it has a interleaving value of 1ms rather than disabled. also UFB should be purely down to distance latency for the most part. no interleavings or anything of the sort.

your explanation was pretty-much spot on though.

to put it into a more universal way, essentially your latency is LatencyToRouter + InterleavingValue + CableDelay,DistanceToServerEtc..

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