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Topic # 224382 15-Nov-2017 15:12
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If you already have wifi from a Vodafone ULTRA hub and you add a Vodafone Wifi Extender:

 

I thought, the WiFi extender would simply extend the existing wifi network, to increase it's range. 

 

But, unless I'm mistaken, the Vodafone wifi extender appears to create a new seperate Wifi network. ie: You end up with two Wifi Networks - one from the original ULTRA Hub and running in parallel, a new wifi network with a different name, from the extenders. 

 

Or am I doing it wrong? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1901358 15-Nov-2017 15:39
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There are three ways you can setup the wifi extenders.

 

The below link should help explain:

 

http://help.vodafone.co.nz/app/answers/detail/a_id/28381/~/set-up-your-wireless-extender

 

 

 

I haven't tested one out yet, but i believe you can choose to either use the same SSID or create a separate one.




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  Reply # 1901431 15-Nov-2017 20:01
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Thanks - but that's the same information I was referencing.

 

One of the options listed describes "extending the existing network", but even that option says at the end: 

 

"On your wireless device, search and connect to the Wi-Fi name (indicated on the Ultra Extender's sticker)" 

 

ie: After choosing to "extend the existing network" it tells you to connect to a different network name, from the sticker. 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1902583 16-Nov-2017 09:43
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WellingtonBoy:

 

Thanks - but that's the same information I was referencing.

 

One of the options listed describes "extending the existing network", but even that option says at the end: 

 

"On your wireless device, search and connect to the Wi-Fi name (indicated on the Ultra Extender's sticker)" 

 

ie: After choosing to "extend the existing network" it tells you to connect to a different network name, from the sticker. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They run slightly differently depending on the setup, but they all run as 192.168.1.240-244, with the main ap as 192.168.1.240

 

They sit on the same subnet as the router, and use the ultrahub/hg659 as the dhcp server etc which I prefer, rather than run their own network

 

 

 

Single AP set to AP mode - you connect to the SSID and PW as indicated on the sticker. You can set ssid in the menu, but it isn't a mesh system, so its not really necessary

 

With two APs, 1st as AP and 2nd as extender - they have different SSIDs (one has _ext on the end), but then they both share the same password as the main AP once paired. (note, when there is an ethernet connected device in the extender,  the extenders wif iis disabled to form the dedicated bridge which is awesome for xbox, tv etc with no ethernet to them otherwise)

 

These are similar to other wifi extenders whereby they add _ext or similar to the wifi ssid to extend the network.

 

The difference with this system though is that it doesn't latch onto your existing wifi and rebroadcast it. By having an AP unit at the router and using its own channel to extend to the other unit gives higher performance. Especially as both ends become a 4x4 5ghz beamformed connection between each other. These little APs are wifi rocketships. Much faster than rebroadcasting what could be a slower 5g wifi or somesuch from your router.

 

A speedtest I ran on 2 of these in bridge mode to my desktop PC got 800Mbit and regularly get 600+

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 




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  Reply # 1902870 16-Nov-2017 18:04
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Thanks Morm. That was interesting information. 

 

Since the extenders aren't extending my original ULTRA Wifi, does that mean I should disable wifi on the ultra hub and use the wifi from extenders only? 

 

And I'm guessing my set-up is (A) Access point mode from the Vodafone brochure:

 

 

 

[Vodafone] ------- [Modem] --------- [ Ultra hub] --------- cable across house -------[Switch]---------- [ Extender in AP mode] 

 

                                                              |_  [Extender in AP Mode]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1902885 16-Nov-2017 18:48
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Morm:

 

 

 

The difference with this system though is that it doesn't latch onto your existing wifi and rebroadcast it. By having an AP unit at the router and using its own channel to extend to the other unit gives higher performance. Especially as both ends become a 4x4 5ghz beamformed connection between each other. These little APs are wifi rocketships. Much faster than rebroadcasting what could be a slower 5g wifi or somesuch from your router.

 

A speedtest I ran on 2 of these in bridge mode to my desktop PC got 800Mbit and regularly get 600+

 

 

When i first saw this deal on vodafones site, i thought what a load of crap, you have gone into a bit more detail than the site implyed though.

 

 

 

5ghz Base to base, it's not a standard extender.

 

a 4x4 beamformed connection, explains how it's able to preform so well.

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe i should resign my VF connections plan afterall...





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  Reply # 1903116 17-Nov-2017 08:30
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WellingtonBoy:

 

Thanks Morm. That was interesting information. 

 

Since the extenders aren't extending my original ULTRA Wifi, does that mean I should disable wifi on the ultra hub and use the wifi from extenders only? 

 

And I'm guessing my set-up is (A) Access point mode from the Vodafone brochure:

 

 

 

[Vodafone] ------- [Modem] --------- [ Ultra hub] --------- cable across house -------[Switch]---------- [ Extender in AP mode] 

 

                                                              |_  [Extender in AP Mode]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes turn it off as that stops extra interference on 5Ghz

 

I have the 2.4G left turned on the router as the extenders only do 5ghz and I have some 2.4g devices, but all the 5g devices run solely off the Wifi extenders no problem. they have good coverage.

 

 




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  Reply # 1904042 19-Nov-2017 14:55
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Is the set-up below possible, with both extenders broadcasting the same WiFi network? 

 

I could connect wirelessly from extender 1 to Extender, but would rather use the ethernet connection.

 

 

 

[Vodafone] ------- [Modem] --------- [ Ultra hub] --------- cable across house -------[Switch]---------- [ Extender2 in AP mode] 

 

                                                              |_  [Extender1 in AP Mode]

 

 


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  Reply # 1904332 20-Nov-2017 09:55
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WellingtonBoy:

 

 

 

Is the set-up below possible, with both extenders broadcasting the same WiFi network? 

 

I could connect wirelessly from extender 1 to Extender, but would rather use the ethernet connection.

 

 

 

[Vodafone] ------- [Modem] --------- [ Ultra hub] --------- cable across house -------[Switch]---------- [ Extender2 in AP mode] 

 

                                                              |_  [Extender1 in AP Mode]

 

 

 

 

It would work, but it may be a bit flaky with the same SSID - your client device will be sticky to the first one you attach to, so if you move to the other end of the house it wont jump over (unless you are completely out of range of the first AP. Just like if you had multiple stand alone APs with same SSID

 

But it will work. Make sure they are set to different channels (one low - eg 36, one high, eg 157)


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  Reply # 1907229 24-Nov-2017 17:40
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Hi there,
First time reader first time poster here.

Due to the Enable contractor ignoring everything we said about where we want our modem installed, it is currently as far away from where I want wifi in the property as possible (external wall at the front of the house)
Vodafone has sent us a couple of their wifi extenders, but I am struggling to make them work as expected.

I have got them set up as per option b in their pamphlet (extender mode)
I have turned off both 2.4 &5ghz from the modern as they are no longer needed.
My problem is that both wifi extenders are creating separate networks (Vodafone 5g_ap & Vodafone 5g_ex)

This doesn’t help my range issues as it connects to one and stays connected even when I’m at the end of its range.
How do I fix this to avoid having to connect to them manually each time I go to the other side of my gargantuan 100m2 house?

Much appreciated

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  Reply # 1907313 24-Nov-2017 19:32
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A pair of these arrived for me last night, after I signed on with Vodafone for another 12 months.

Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a way to customise the name of the wireless network (ssid) on the extender unit. It just takes the name (and password) of the main unit and adds "-Ext" to the end.

The only workaround I can think of is to name your wireless network on your router so that it matches the name on the extender (e.g "Example-Ext"). Then, you devices should at least be able to roam between those two.

Note that I haven't tried this myself.

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  Reply # 1907318 24-Nov-2017 19:56
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froob: A pair of these arrived for me last night, after I signed on with Vodafone for another 12 months.

Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a way to customise the name of the wireless network (ssid) on the extender unit. It just takes the name (and password) of the main unit and adds "-Ext" to the end.

The only workaround I can think of is to name your wireless network on your router so that it matches the name on the extender (e.g "Example-Ext"). Then, you devices should at least be able to roam between those two.

Note that I haven't tried this myself.




You can change it. Log into 192.169.1.240 admin /@admin
You'll need to wps re-pair the extender after

It won't roam if you set the same name though. It's not a mesh system. Better to leave them separate.

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  Reply # 1907321 24-Nov-2017 20:00
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SeancNZ: Hi there,
First time reader first time poster here.

Due to the Enable contractor ignoring everything we said about where we want our modem installed, it is currently as far away from where I want wifi in the property as possible (external wall at the front of the house)
Vodafone has sent us a couple of their wifi extenders, but I am struggling to make them work as expected.

I have got them set up as per option b in their pamphlet (extender mode)
I have turned off both 2.4 &5ghz from the modern as they are no longer needed.
My problem is that both wifi extenders are creating separate networks (Vodafone 5g_ap & Vodafone 5g_ex)

This doesn’t help my range issues as it connects to one and stays connected even when I’m at the end of its range.
How do I fix this to avoid having to connect to them manually each time I go to the other side of my gargantuan 100m2 house?

Much appreciated


Put them in a better place (high and open). They should cover that size area. They sound obstructed as their range is actually really good
They will stay separate names as it's not a mesh sysem

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  Reply # 1907323 24-Nov-2017 20:01
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I could change the name of the AP unit by logging in, but not the extender. The extenders name seemed to be locked in the configuration screen. Have you had more luck?

I've actually found that devices roam pretty well between different APs with the same SSID, although it's obviously not perfect. Constantly pulling out phones to change APs as you move around a house isn't ideal..

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  Reply # 1907324 24-Nov-2017 20:04
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You can hardly call it an extender if you have to manually connect to a different signal every time you go in another room then...

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  Reply # 1907325 24-Nov-2017 20:06
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SeancNZ: You can hardly call it an extender if you have to manually connect to a different signal every time you go in another room then...

And changing the AP units ssid from Vodafone 5g at to Vodafone 5g ext means the ext one just becomes Vodafone 5g ext ext instead

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