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Topic # 62270 2-Jun-2010 20:46
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Resource consent application in our letterbox.  Vodafone wanting to put a 13m high cellphone tower at the end of our short street (it's a dead end street) located in Norfolk Street, Wainuiomata

Why Vodafone?  It's not like there is anything wrong with coverage here.  AND in a residential area.

Shame on you!

Angry and gutted (and we WILL be opposing the application)
 

 




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  Reply # 337535 2-Jun-2010 20:47
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Capacity!

They could put 1 celltower up on the Skytower and everyone in Central Auckland would get 5 bars (Ok, not really true, but I'm sure you see where I'm going with this)




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  Reply # 337539 2-Jun-2010 20:58
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Because people call them up and complain like there's no tomorrow if they don't get "full" coverage and the highest data speeds





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  Reply # 337545 2-Jun-2010 21:09
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At least its Vodafone. You can be sure it won't be nearly as much of an eyesore as a 2degrees cellsite.
If Vodafone makes an effort to make them blend in then I think 2degrees should be required to do the same.



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  Reply # 337564 2-Jun-2010 21:22
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The thing is.. if they moved it one street over, half a block down then it would be in a semi-rural setting but still be able to provide the coverage they want.. and it wouldn't annoy half as many people.

And who changed my subject line?




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  Reply # 337571 2-Jun-2010 21:28

When we're putting up sites we review a number of issues that are to be had with each site.

Access to the land.
Coverage provided by that site.
Whether we can buy/lease space to build the site.
Distance to other sites (for interference issues etc)..

and others.

I have no idea why this particular site was chosen but I imagine putting it in a "semi-rural setting" probably means it won't service quite so many customers.

I have on my desk two letters to the editor from a small town in New Zealand.

The first demands to know why phone companies insist on putting up towers, why they're allowed and how dare they and listing 100 names of people opposed to this tower going up.

Next to it is a letter demanding to know why there's no cellphone coverage at the local school, don't cellphone companies care about their customers, how dare they not listen and listing 100 names of people demanding better coverage.

Both in the same town.

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ZollyMonsta: The thing is.. if they moved it one street over, half a block down then it would be in a semi-rural setting but still be able to provide the coverage they want.. and it wouldn't annoy half as many people.


you really think that VF would not have thought about doing this too? obviously there is a good reason why it's not going there. if it's a dead end street and they want to put one up right at the end of the street then why are you gutted?




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  Reply # 337579 2-Jun-2010 21:37
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ZollyMonsta: The thing is.. if they moved it one street over, half a block down then it would be in a semi-rural setting but still be able to provide the coverage they want.. and it wouldn't annoy half as many people.

And who changed my subject line?


No offence, but if you have no experience of Vodafone's network, how can you say things like "still be able to provide the coverage they want"? Only they know that. One street over might put part of a cell in front of a hill or something! Knowing people that have worked there and the amount of thinking that goes into a Cell Site placement, they don't just chuck 'em anywhere and hope (Despite what people might think!)

I'm sure it'll just be a lamp post site anyway, that's usually what these things are. They only have a small 3G panel at the top and aren't actually that ugly.




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  Reply # 337586 2-Jun-2010 22:01
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After our tour with 2degrees, my understand was only cellsites that integrate with a lamp-post are allowed in residential areas.  It's a pain for their RF guys as the lower height brings up its own set of challenges.

ZollyMonsta: And who changed my subject line?


My money would be on freitasm.

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Reply # 337593 2-Jun-2010 22:10
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nate: After our tour with 2degrees, my understand was only cellsites that integrate with a lamp-post are allowed in residential areas.? It's a pain for their RF guys as the lower height brings up its own set of challenges.

ZollyMonsta: And who changed my subject line?


My money would be on freitasm.


You have no money remember last night you had issues paying for the other half of your dinner




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  Reply # 337597 2-Jun-2010 22:23
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nate: After our tour with 2degrees, my understand was only cellsites that integrate with a lamp-post are allowed in residential areas.  It's a pain for their RF guys as the lower height brings up its own set of challenges.

ZollyMonsta: And who changed my subject line?


My money would be on freitasm.


Its not integrated with a lampost.  It is it's own 13m Mast with 4 panels and a microwave dish.

Unfortunately the area it's being put is zoned suburban-commercial.

There are photo mockups and it will be seen from all angles as it will be 9m above the existing buildings.




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  Reply # 337606 2-Jun-2010 23:08
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PaulBrislen: When we're putting up sites we review a number of issues that are to be had with each site.

Access to the land.
Coverage provided by that site.
Whether we can buy/lease space to build the site.
Distance to other sites (for interference issues etc)..

and others.

I have no idea why this particular site was chosen but I imagine putting it in a "semi-rural setting" probably means it won't service quite so many customers.

I have on my desk two letters to the editor from a small town in New Zealand.

The first demands to know why phone companies insist on putting up towers, why they're allowed and how dare they and listing 100 names of people opposed to this tower going up.

Next to it is a letter demanding to know why there's no cellphone coverage at the local school, don't cellphone companies care about their customers, how dare they not listen and listing 100 names of people demanding better coverage.

Both in the same town.

Cheers

Paul


^^^ This..
If people want to have access to wireless and decent data/voice capacity/throughput/etc, then they're going to have to put up with cellphone towers.
If you complain about cell phone towers and pull the "NOT IN MY NEIGHBOURHOOD" you should have your cellphones taken away, see how you like that, huh..

As for zomg radiation, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse-square_law



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  Reply # 337610 2-Jun-2010 23:22
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kyhwana2: 
If people want to have access to wireless and decent data/voice capacity/throughput/etc, then they're going to have to put up with cellphone towers.
If you complain about cell phone towers and pull the "NOT IN MY NEIGHBOURHOOD" you should have your cellphones taken away, see how you like that, huh..

As for zomg radiation, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse-square_law


You can state the 'Not In My Neighbourhood' phrase till you're blue in the face.  Either way anybody who owns a home doesn't want one of these things near them.

I did not start this thread for you to start a personal attack.

Regardless of wether it improves reception quality.  The issue here isn't that it's there, the issue is mainly it is NOTICEABLE.  There are mocked up photos of this site in the proposal and it stands out like a sore thumb.
 




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  Reply # 337611 2-Jun-2010 23:30
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  Reply # 337612 2-Jun-2010 23:32
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nate: After our tour with 2degrees, my understand was only cellsites that integrate with a lamp-post are allowed in residential areas.  It's a pain for their RF guys as the lower height brings up its own set of challenges.

ZollyMonsta: And who changed my subject line?


My money would be on freitasm.


Come and collect the prize. I changed the subject to something more descriptive than the original subject.






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  Reply # 337614 2-Jun-2010 23:33
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ZollyMonsta:
You can state the 'Not In My Neighbourhood' phrase till you're blue in the face.  Either way anybody who owns a home doesn't want one of these things near them.

I did not start this thread for you to start a personal attack.

Regardless of wether it improves reception quality.  The issue here isn't that it's there, the issue is mainly it is NOTICEABLE.  There are mocked up photos of this site in the proposal and it stands out like a sore thumb.
 


Well, the point still stands.. no one wants any of these cell towers near them but they still want good coverage.
You can't have your pie and eat it, I believe the saying is.
The damn things have to go SOMEWHERE and undoubetly someone at that somewhere will bitch about it being an eyesore. Would you rather have no cell coverage?
Or you could suggest to Paul here how they could make it look better, so it's not such an eyesore. Im sure he'd be happy to pass along your suggestions :)

I suppose they could dress it up as a pine tree or something but you'd still recognise it as a cell tower, I imagine.


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